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pse

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Monday, April 14, 2008 - 12:38 pm:

Over the past number of months I've noticed declining participation at this forum.

I myself have contributed to this decline. I havent been posting. We all know why that is, but lets not go into that.

This aside, there have been some regular and significant participants who have disappeared. Even the hilarius thread seems to be waning.

Two questions.

1] assuming others sense a shift at IC, why do you believe there has been a decline in participation at this forum?

2] what can be done to increase the participation/ what would you like to see done?

- Peter

"TRADE WHAT IS, NOT WHAT MIGHT BE"

colin_twiggs

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Monday, April 14, 2008 - 01:37 pm:

Peter,

Past departing posters have predicted the decline of the forum only to see it grow at any ever-increasing rate. There is a natural attrition rate as well as a healthy inflow of new contributors.

What would you like to see changed?

Regards,
Colin

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pse

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Monday, April 14, 2008 - 02:13 pm:

not "predicting" the overall decline of the forum, i would like to see IC flourish. rather, commenting on the present lull at IC.

is it simply the cycle of things or are there other reasons?

myself, having gravitated to and experienced other forums, lean more towards "other reasons", but to-date have not fully formed an opinion.

at present i am interested in what others have to say and possible solutions.

"TRADE WHAT IS, NOT WHAT MIGHT BE"

sway

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Monday, April 14, 2008 - 02:17 pm:

Peter
I've heard of a theory that number of posts is related to market sentiment. There ARE a lot of bears around as you may have noticed.
Sway

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Monday, April 14, 2008 - 07:11 pm:

Ahoy pse

It is only _____ like you that post such nonsense

To quote
"I myself have contributed to this decline. I havent been posting. We all know why that is, but lets not go into that."

I say "Let's all go into all of that !!!"
Let's go into it, pse ?

You have never ever said anything worthwhile

This is now your chance!

Who are you blaming for your misfortunes?

Not me I hope?

Salute and Gods' speed

(Message edited by colin_twiggs on April 15, 2008)

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pse

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Monday, April 14, 2008 - 07:23 pm:

why are you feeling responsible charles?

"TRADE WHAT IS, NOT WHAT MIGHT BE"

captain_chaza

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Monday, April 14, 2008 - 07:38 pm:

Ahoy pse (all in lower case)

Who Else are you going to Blame?

I was not born yesterday!

NOW LET"S GO ON!

Let's see how really sea-sick you really are?!

WHO DO YOU BLAME?

Salute

pse

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Monday, April 14, 2008 - 07:58 pm:

i think you've missed the point of the original post charles. not everything is about YOU; although if you continue on there's a good chance the post will become that way.

if you werent so defensive/offensive, you would give yourself an opportunity to either ignore the original post if it doesnt appeal to you or alternatively, contribute something of substance.

- Peter

PS how do you ever expect to trade to the best of your ability when you continually allow yourself to be tripped up by your emotions, charles??

"TRADE WHAT IS, NOT WHAT MIGHT BE"

captain_chaza

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Monday, April 14, 2008 - 09:23 pm:

Ahoy pse

I agree I am an emotional man

But a Seaman I am First and Last

That's just the sort of guy I am, I guess

Salute and Gods' speed

ohkoolnutz

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Tuesday, April 15, 2008 - 05:44 pm:

I still read but don't post. Three years ago this board was heavily focused on the short-term thread. People continuously posted setups of triangles, diamonds and trendlines. It all stopped happening about 18 months ago. A lot of people must have left. If you go for quick frequent setups you get tired easily. If you go for slow infrequent setups you are easily bored waiting for them. Neither lends itself for much of a job satisfaction.

I stopped posting because I noticed that predictability of prices is futile. If this is so then the forum is no help since a dart board will be a faster way of picking a stock to jump in and out of. Frankly I would always advise people against stock trading because I can think of a lot more rewarding and stressless ways to spend time.

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ohk

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pse

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Tuesday, April 15, 2008 - 06:24 pm:

oh-kool-nutz
unusual name!

so,
you say that you dont trade because its not profitable for you nor is it a satisfying occupation; fair enough.

and i'm extrapolating from this, that the implication is, others may be having the same experience as yourself.

perhaps, exacerbated by present market conditions???

conclusion, when the bear morphs into a bull, once again, IC participation will naturally increase!?

"TRADE WHAT IS, NOT WHAT MIGHT BE"

dug

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Wednesday, April 16, 2008 - 12:03 pm:

pse/Peter,
I think the Time Delay Function should be lifted off New Posters.This time delay was instituted chiefly to save us from Rampers and frankly I'd rather read a High Flying Ramp than nothing at all!!
That Time Delay is also a Moderators Sanction just highlights the Negative Impact it has on New Posters.

Also it should NOT be assumed that New Posters are Green/Inexperienced in need of indoctrination in this Forum's Party Line.They [d'New/Fresh Meat] might just have something interesting to say,a new angle they're working on.Certainly they should not be presented with the IC Historic Fait Accompli or some condescending pat on the head.

That's if they do say 100 words.I get really peeved by one line posters.

Also more info should be brought out on the Search Function.Not so much on an individual share,maybe but that Box up in the Left Hand Corner of the Topics Page.
Also the email function should be pointed out more.
These two are the Strengths of the IC Forum IMHO and should be highlighted.

Peter,I also think the recent rush to by the minute trading in Currency etc is detrimental to raising new membership.IC thru Colin used to be very negative on Day Trading but it seems now that's all any member wants to talk about.Along with "Thank God I hold Nothing" Daily Posts.

cheers.

Even 'til Jaded.

Dig for the sake of it.

rdumas

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Wednesday, April 16, 2008 - 02:43 pm:

Hi Peter,

My take on it is as follows:

For the sake of the argument let us define the time frames that people trade in just so that we're reading off the same page.

Short term : hours to days
Medium term: weeks to months
Long term : years

Whilst there would be quite a few short term traders on this forum I would suggest that the this type of forum is more suited to the medium term trader.

For credibility sake generally people like to post 'before the event' in way that allows the poster to make a proposed trade and the reasons for it and then to allow time to lapse so that those interested in the proposed trade can see how the outcome develops. The outcome of the trade can then be discussed and conclusions drawn from it to use in future trades. A lot of discussion can occur during this medium term trade.

Short term trading posts move so quickly that one almost has to say in a post that this is what I did in this trade and this was the outcome. Often these people are accused of being 'after the fact heros' and their credibility is called into question. The alternative in short term trading is to almost give a 'running commentary' on the progress of the trade over a number of hours which takes up a lot of bandwidth and people would probably complain about the number of posts. For this reason the short term trader posts are not suited for this type of forum.

With long term traders once the poster has stated their strategy and portfolio the number of further posts tends to bore others because there is no real action that can be discussed because the portfolio is set in concrete for long periods of time. Any changes in the market conditions tends to be treated as 'so what's interesting about that' because the investor has very little intention of making changes to the portfolio on the basis of relatively short term changing market conditions.

Which brings us back to your question.......why have the number of posts diminished? I would suggest that it is because the current market volatility (and bearishness) isn't really suited for medium term trading discussions (as per my definition) and hence the number of people actually trading has diminished to reflect this change in market conditions. I would further suggest that when the market conditions become bullish for longer periods of time then more people will be trading and hence the number of posts will increase.

The only other discussions that medium term traders can have are those of the nature that Dug mocked and others obviously get upset about because they don't concentrate on the act of trading which is what this forum platform is essentially about.

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Wednesday, April 16, 2008 - 03:59 pm:

oops posted to the wrong spot

sorry

(Message edited by Resillent1 on April 16, 2008)

rdumas

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Wednesday, April 16, 2008 - 04:17 pm:

Hi Resillent1,

Sorry mate but I couldn't give you one star because in my opinion it was worth five stars. Quite often I read some of your posts and don't fully comprehend everything that you say but this time it was said in a language that I can understand and truly appreciate. As usual there is a lot of meat in your post and there are some things that I would like to explore further but it will have to wait for another time because I've spent far too much time in front of the computer now as it is.

Well done !!!!

paddy

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Thursday, May 22, 2008 - 12:46 pm:

I am new to IC but I have one comment for you long timers to consider . If you have a "thread" and are very "fussy" about what is posted in your thread then I suggest that you post a detailed list of what can and cannot be posted in your thread.

I can see that some people are that way . Too bad . I thought that many inputs of varying thoughts/interpretations would make for a great forum. Guess not . I'll have to give thought to where I shall post in future . Have no intention of stopping just better if no noses are pushed out of joint.

For me it is nothing . Having survived an open pit mine blast [ grand safety lapse] gives one a different perspective on matters. If you have never stood on a bench as it was blasted and watched the fly rock go over you and through truck canopy beside you you wouldn't no what I was talking about .

You all have a good one now .

Paddy

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Thursday, May 22, 2008 - 01:03 pm:

Take it easy Paddy. I'm glad to get your thoughts but would rather it be related to the particular topic in my Dow thread. I subscribe to nearly all of them anyway, because I think there is generally something of interest across the board.

By the way I also had a NDE on the weekend so I'm also carrying some scars at the moment. Maybe PM me if you want to talk about blasting. I have some background in that field as well.

Cheers
Sway

This is not a recommendation or advice. As they say .... DYOR.

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Thursday, May 22, 2008 - 10:19 pm:

I too have some background in blasting.I hope to return to that field soon,after 10yrs as a crayfisherman,and recently completing my Electronics App in Communications. As for Dow theory I haven't been studying the Dow long enough to be able to compare enough data for trend behaviour. I can say I expected to be smashed on the past two nights Dow results, only to see my overall portfolio increase by about 2%. Obviously having a fair share of Iron ore and Coal stocks helped. It is refreshing to see our market not religiously follow the yanks.Maybe the strong dollar has something to do with that?. As for the forum waning, I have to say it was hard to initially post as a complete greenhorn and hear the crickets chirping, due to my initial and current, obvious inexperience. If not for Dug and some others emailing privately within the forum I may have given up. I must say that aside from ramping and reporting on announcements etc, other threads have little to offer in comparison to the experience and allure of the technical analysis offered here, and whilst some people are a little intolerant of us greenhorns,I tips me lid to those whom are not. I will be here for as long as the forum exists. Regards Az.

"Success is a lousy teacher.It seduces people into thinking they cannot lose."BILL GATES.

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Thursday, May 22, 2008 - 11:42 pm:

All comments on any forum on this site are opinion based. It's difficult to add weight to an opinion without knowing whether it's it talk or there is substance behind the opinion. It can be frustrating to read, and maybe I am just wasting my time reading unsubstanciated drivel.

May I recommend a share trading game? this might add some spice to the site (and not the one run by an unofficial administrator). It would also help us identify who knows what they are talking about and who is full of hot air. Let the proof in the pudding speak!

efficiency

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Friday, May 23, 2008 - 02:23 am:

Hmmm, you think maybe, cheap petty insults, and/or hollow chest pounding might have a little something to do with the ..........eh.........."dormancy"?

Simply put, I'm failing to see what I would have to gain by taking the time and effort to type. I've also restrained myself reducing to an insulting level.

For example, Paddy. Used to be daily posts ( I could insert other adjectives) regarding Potash, alas, not a peep in 3 weeks.

Can you read my mind?

Sure you can. From half way across the world.

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Friday, May 23, 2008 - 03:41 am:

efficiency : Haven't posted re POT because I'm waiting for the real retracement to occur. Also price action is somewhat volatile. Looking for a test back to EMA50 [ now @ $184.56 ] or the LBB [ now @ $181.83 ]. From there , based on Weekly chart, stock price could correct to $165 - $170 .

In your posting what did you mean by "other words"? I have no idea as to what you were implying . If there is something wrong please inform me .

Regards,

Paddy

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Friday, May 23, 2008 - 11:38 am:

Sway : Posted here as messed your thread up enough.

1] Using other charts as I do not have my computer contaminated with a willygates operating system.

2] Is there more than one way to do Weinstein analyses?

I give you :

"How do you determine which stage a stock or index is in? You do so by examining the 30-week moving average in relation to price. During a bullish period, the moving average provides support. Meanwhile, during a bearish period it provides resistance. In a bullish period, the moving average is consistently below the security's price. Just as importantly, during a bullish period the moving average consistently slopes upward. Bearish periods are the exact opposite. In these cases, the moving average is consistently above price and is sloping downward."

I assume that this 30 week MA is a simple moving average which would be quite different from your WEIGHTED 30 week moving average . Which is correct? Makes a hell of a difference in the analysis.

Regards

Paddy

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Friday, May 23, 2008 - 11:56 am:

Yes, Paddy you're right. The choice of which MA you use does make a difference. We have recently discussed this in a couple of places:
http://forum.incrediblecharts.com/messages/9/1398212.html#POST135879
and
http://forum.incrediblecharts.com/messages/8/1534372.html#POST135754 see my post no 300

Sway

This is not a recommendation or advice. As they say .... DYOR.

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Friday, May 23, 2008 - 02:42 pm:

Sway : I'll have to open a thread in Markets. Why did you choose to use a weighted 30MA ? As I see it for INDU :

W 30 EMA 12747

W 30 SMA 12736

W 30 WMA 12600 [ from you ]

So far all the checking I have done shows that the W 30 SMA is used for Weinstein analysis .

Looking at the Weekly Chart of INDU the W 30 SMA does a pretty good job. The SMA 30 started to turn down around Xmas and until a couple of weeks ago it acted as Resistance . By my read the brief "rally" topped out above the SMA 30 but the INDU is now below once again having broke the lower support of the ascending channel and broke down through , IMO, a key Fib level [ 12664 ] . Great to see that 12629 and 12664 did their job as Resistance .

The weighted 30MA appears to lag I guess one could say that it acts as a confirmation that , in this case, the DOW is well on its way down.

I may be proved wrong, but I see down as the "Way of the DOW". Looking to see 12517 - 12474 and 12461 tested .

Perhaps that is what I'll call my thread . I'll write about "blasting" elsewhere.

Regards,

Paddy}

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Friday, May 23, 2008 - 02:50 pm:

Paddy
As someone said in another thread earlier, we're splitting hairs over SMA EMA WMA etc. The IC calculations are here http://www.incrediblecharts.com/technical/moving_average.php

More important is to be consistent I reckon.

Cheers
Sway

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