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     mosaic1996
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Username: mosaic1996
Post Number: 1275
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| | Monday, April 17, 2006 - 09:21 am: |  
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Colin,
Whilst I am still bullish for the overall market, and suspect that it still has a fair way to run (especially the resources sector), I believe that we are getting much closer to a top. Furthermore, I believe that other sectors are likely to weaken or at least substantially under-perform the resources sector.
For this reason I would like to be able to identify short opportunities to hedge my long positions. At the moment it is very difficult to identify short discussions on Incredible Charts.
To make it easier for identifying and discussing short opportunities, would it be possible and desirable/beneficial to create a new topic for discussing SHORTS.
There are many members that are already very bearish. Hence I suspect that such a topic would be fairly popular with hedgers (such as myself) and the perennial bears.
If you are reluctant to expand the number of topics, would it be possible to move the Hilarius Hall of Fame to Traders Groups to make space for a SHORT DISCUSSION topic. The HHF topic has not been used for approximately 7 months except for Bonkers discussing ComputerShare and ERG (both of which would be better placed in ASX long-term).
Cheers,
Graeme
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mosaic1996
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Username: mosaic1996
Post Number: 1276
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| | Monday, April 17, 2006 - 09:30 am: |
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Colin,
Whilst on topics, would it be worthwhile renaming the Options Derivatives thread to include CFD discussion as well.
There are already CFD discussions in this TOPIC but CFDs are also discussed in many other topics.
CFDs are very popular are they are a leveraged derivative, so I believe that
a) CFD discussion fits in this topic
b) CFD should should be prominent in the topic name.
I really don't feel strongly about this, I just had a flash, and I though that I would pass it on.
Cheers,
Graeme
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mosaic1996
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| | Monday, April 17, 2006 - 09:33 am: |
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P.S. On SHORT TOPIC
It would also make it easy/possible to only receive e-mail notification for SHORTS which is my preference.
Cheers,
Graeme
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colin_twiggs
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Username: colin_twiggs
Post Number: 2526
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| | Monday, April 17, 2006 - 06:57 pm: |
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Graeme,
This is worth opening for discussion.
One possible scenario that I would want to avoid is that we could end up with two short-term topics on the same stock -- one for bulls and one for bears. I would rather see the two sides arguing on the same thread to create a more balanced view.
Regards,
Colin
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mosaic1996
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Username: mosaic1996
Post Number: 1278
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| | Monday, April 17, 2006 - 07:59 pm: |
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Colin,
Is this the best place to have a discussion: i.e., do many members get e-mail notification from the FEEDBACK topic?
I suspect that occasionally a short and a long thread for the same stock will be opened. However, most threads are relatively short-lived - only a few entries per thread. Hence, I believe that the downside that you elude to would be relatively rare and minor. This will happen mainly because people want to catch the change in a trend prior to the occurrence of any reliable TA indicator to determine if it a change of trend of a retracement.
I believe that the benefit of being able to group short ideas together far outweighs the negative of an occasional duplication of stocks (which can already happen in the short-term and long-term topics, and even within a topic.
Importantly I believe that we would still get robust discussion on each stock irrespective whether it is posted in a SHORT or LONG topic, i.e, we will still get supportive and contradictory views.
Another issue is that the outlook of stocks can change, As an example, QAN - comments on breakout from long base? thread was opened when QAN looked like it had broken out. It turned into a (possible) short. In reality, it may be a great range trade - but I don't want to shoot myself in the foot. The question becomes: is the thread title still appropriate, or is it preferable to open a new thread titled SHORT opportunity to reflect changed circumstances? Currently, people often open a new thread on a stock that has previously been discussed, i.e, IC doesn't insist on a continuity of a discussion for each stock.
Cheers,
Graeme
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ingot54
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Username: ingot54
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| | Monday, April 17, 2006 - 08:36 pm: |
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Graeme
I would be in favour too, of establishing a SHORTS Topic.
Great opportunity to discuss and view set-up patterns, charts for critique etc.
Keep Smiling
Trading style :CFD's predominantly. Looking for ways to enter CFD trading over long term.
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mosaic1996
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Post Number: 1279
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| | Wednesday, April 19, 2006 - 05:02 pm: |
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Colin,
There doesn't appear to be much demand for a SHORT TOPIC, in fact given the response to date, it would be very short indeed.
I will put a pointer to this discussion in the ASX thread to see if that gets more interest. My theory/hope is that the FEEDBACK topic is not distributed to many members: which is better than concluding that it was a dumb idea!
Cheers,
Graeme
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captain_chaza
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Registered: 02-2003Rating: N/A
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| | Wednesday, April 19, 2006 - 06:35 pm: |
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Ahoy there Brave and not so Loyal Sea-Cadet Mossie
I tend to agree with the Good Admiral Col'n this time
re the Debate on a particular share
We all saw what happened when "The Prince of Shorts" our own 1st Officer Spids started a SHORTs list last Year
At some stage they can become "Buys"!!!
When they became BUYS they were all in the wrong folder!!OUCH!
I can't see the Problem someone putting up a bullish and others putting up bearish outlook
It would be best if Charts were supplied to know where the Navigator is coming from at the time of alert!
Any Sweet FA could always be attached also, I suppose?
I know that if it can only be described in words I have the Self-Disapline to not read any further!!!!!
You know me better than most Dear Graeme
I call a spade a shovel
Some /most shorts can be very out-of-date quicker than you can blink at times
I can't see the point in having for example a
TLS-BEARISH thread and a
TLS-BULLISH thread
When the Time for Action in either direction arrives TLS would move up to the top
Sometimes it can be just as simple as that!
Bon Voyage and Gods' Speed
Let the debate continue!
"While we stop and think, we often miss our opportunity." Publilius Syrus, 1st century B.C.
"I believe the future is only the past again, entered through another gate."
Sir Arthur Wing Pinero 1893
"There are two times in a man's life when he should not speculate: When he can't afford it, and when he can." Mark Twain, 1897
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wanabe1
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| | Wednesday, April 19, 2006 - 07:01 pm: |
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'I would rather see the two sides arguing on the same thread to create a more balanced view.' - colin.
Me too!
'Any Sweet FA could always be attached also,I suppose?'-cc.
Agree only if it's in ASX: long term & fundamental.
But if it's in ASX: short term (strictly TA) - let's keep that topic strictly TA, please!
regards
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mosaic1996
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Username: mosaic1996
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| | Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 02:17 pm: |
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Colin,
I have had a closer look at several stock specific threads. It is rare that there is a lot of bear/bull discussion from what I can see: in fact I didn't see any, but I am sure that there would be some instances. There are not many stocks discussed in depth over a long period of time. I don't believe that separate bull and a bear threads developing at the same time would eventuate: it would be rare if at all IMO.
However, having said that, the feedback to date would indicate that there is little support for a separate topic for discussing shorts.
Personally, I would still like to see a short specific topic, however, I fully understand if you decide that it is not warranted.
Cheers,
Graeme
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ingot54
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Username: ingot54
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| | Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 02:29 pm: |
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Graeme
Perhaps you could open a thread and simply call it "SHORTS DISCUSSION" or something original  and go from there.
I am sure most members would stick to the intent of the thread.
After all, you have called for expressions of interest and for differing viewpoints - there is hardly any reason for others to go off topic now if you commenced the thread.
Keep Smiling
Trading style :CFD's predominantly. Looking for ways to enter CFD trading over long term.
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spider
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| | Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 05:24 pm: |
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soma started a thread in August of 2004, it ran for a long time but unfortunately it has been archived and can no longer take new entries.
Part of the problem was that it got lumped in with the frenetic "short term" trading section, and as only a few of us contributed to it regularly, it got pushed down the list and eventually fell int the hell that is 'archived'.
http://www.incrediblecharts.com/userscripts/forums/show.plx?tpc=8&post=49014#POS T49014
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colin_twiggs
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Post Number: 2528
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| | Thursday, April 20, 2006 - 06:17 pm: |
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Graeme,
Ingot's suggestion may be a good way to start: Set up a thread called "Shorts" or "Shorting Stocks". If it proves popular, we will turn it into a separate Topic.
Regards, Colin
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