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colin_twiggs

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Friday, September 27, 2002 - 06:38 pm:

Quite a few traders are fond of the odd drop.

Shonky recommended one of McGuigan-Simeon's wines after I had reviewed the stock. If you find a really good wine (at a reasonable price) why not recommend it on the forum?

Colin

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Friday, September 27, 2002 - 09:55 pm:

G'day,

Personally, I'm a brown bag drinker but can't go past TR2 Traminer Riesling at around $6 a bottle.

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Thursday, July 31, 2003 - 10:57 pm:

Thought I might try and kick start this thread again as wine is one of my greatest passions.

Two wines that have impressed me lately are:

2001- Veritas 'Heinrich' (Shiraz Mataro Grenache)
Approx: $30
2002- Veritas 'Crista Rolf' (Shiraz Grenache)
Approx: $18

Both these wine are unique as they are made to be drunk young unlike so many quality Australian wines. They are Typical Rhone styles from Barossa fruit.

Hard to find though as very few are made each vintage (most go to the US). If anyone is interested you can private message me and I can tell you where to find find them in Melbourne.

Cheers

LaFeeVerte

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Friday, August 01, 2003 - 09:07 am:

LaFee

A question on wine. Why do most Australian wines contain a preservative (220 if I recall correctly)? Is this to achieve early maturation? I would have thought that the alcohol would act as a preservative.

I have asked this before but met with a shrug of the shoulders.

How can one obtain these wines if not in Melbourne? Can they be shipped by road or rail?

Regards
Colin

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Friday, August 01, 2003 - 10:59 am:

Hi Colin

Preservative 220 is actually sulfur. All wines contain sulfur (even the so called organic wines!) as it stops bacteria from forming and the wrong yeast from growing. Without it our wine would simply go off very quickly and could very well make people sick.

Our legislation dictates that Australian Producers must label this - however the rest of the world does not.

I am friends with the agents for the wines I mentioned above. I will have a chat with them and find out whether anyone stocks them in Queensland.

If not, they would freight them to you (by the dozen).

Cheers
LaFeeVerte.

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Friday, August 01, 2003 - 02:25 pm:

Bill (williamat) should contribute to this thread.
He brings the best reds to traders group meetings.
Wednesday's Cab Merlot was magic.

For all you poor deprived people who are not lucky enough to live in Vic., check out the reds and particularly the fortified wines from Rutherglen. Top of the list would be R.L.Buller and Son.

"The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams."
Elanor Roosevelt.

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Friday, August 01, 2003 - 03:55 pm:

Hi Bill

Big fan of Rutherglen. If you ever get the chance to visit Chambers - his Rare Tokay is the best in the world. Expensive at $150 for a 375ml bottle, but once tasted it is worth it. I treat myself to a bottle a year. I have heard it auctions for big dollars in the US as Robert Parker gave it a perfect 100 in Wine Spectator. Morris has a similar product which is also very good at about the same price.

Cheers
LaFeeVerte

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Thursday, August 07, 2003 - 04:30 pm:

Lafee,
Been to R'glen once or twice.
Must confess you worried the starlights out of me.Sulfur in wine? maybe that's why i never get a tummy ache, after about 5o years of trying just about every RED I came across maybe there is nothing left to ache.Problem-Sulphur is not soluble; solution: it is in fact sulphur dioxide, how do I know? I asked Penfolds per e-mail, It did set my heart at rest Spider may well have created the impression that I am some kind of wine buff, that I'm not; I'm just a fella who knows what wine he likes and the districts which from which they come. If I see a label for the first time from a preferred district, I'm onto a couple of bottles, after all the first might be an exception. I am an adventurer with red wines.
I think I had a small glass of Tokay in Albury once, I remember it being presented rather ceremoniously as if it were some kind of spiritual nectar. Is it liquer wine?.
To all you serious traders who stopped to read all this, my apologies, Lafee started it, no no, it was Spider. Cheers, Bill.

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Saturday, August 09, 2003 - 01:06 pm:

Hi Bill,

Yes you are right it is sulfur dioxide. Everyone calls it sulfur (for short)in the wine industry.

Tokay is a fortified wine. Many call it Tokay Liquer. The funny thing is if you asked for a tokay in Europe you would get something completely different.

Colin,

Give Select VIneyards a call in Queensland. They distribute the two wine I mentioned and will be able to tell you where to find them on the Gold Coast. (it might be a trip to brisbane though).

Well worth it anyhow.

Cheers
LaFeeVerte

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Sunday, September 19, 2004 - 06:57 pm:

You still around Lafee, dynamic, williamat?,

Remembered this thread from a while back, but didn't have anything to add at the time.

In a bottleshop, confused, don't know what to buy ?

This is for occasional Red wine drinkers that are past chateaux cardboard but find most bottles taste the same. (Yuk)

Just look for the Penfolds label, even their 'cheap' wines are good, and even ST and TT knew that....

Don't have any connection with Penfolds, but all I can say is I've never tried one of their wines that I didn't like....

Enjoying a Koonunga Hill Cab Merlot 2002 as we speak.....Yummy

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Friday, September 24, 2004 - 11:07 am:

Hello (at last) Chance, Very sorry, system was down at time.
For me one of the joys of Red wine is finding new ones which do something for me. E.g. Keilor pub has one grown at Deer Park, superb. Can't ever remember the name, but the waiter knows. Will write it down next time I'm there. Happy Tasting, Bill.

The difference between intelligence and education is this- intelligence will make you a good living. Charles C Kettering.

chance

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Friday, September 24, 2004 - 08:47 pm:

good to hear from you Bill,

interesting how some people choose their wines by where they were grown, my neighbours are like that, always buying their wines from the Margaret River W.A. area.

I'm more into brands and varieties at the moment but am ever learning.

Hurry up and drop by the Keilor Pub......

Regards
chance

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Monday, September 27, 2004 - 11:25 pm:

Poets Corner has a nice red Chance, come to think of it there white isn't bad either.

Julles

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Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 07:39 am:

Will detour to the wine cellar tonight Julles, not mine unfortunately, but then, who wants all those customers?

Poets corner might be a good name for a new thread after we've all had a few.....

Actually, not sure if that's a good idea, I've read some of my "brilliant ideas" the next morning, and usually think "what does that mean" ???!

bottoms up

chance

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Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 07:19 pm:

The valley's full of misty clouds,

Its something beauty drowning,

Tree-tops are veiled in misty shrouds,

And mountain something are foaming....

Wish I could read the writing !

I like it, nice one Julles

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Wednesday, September 29, 2004 - 09:41 pm:

I'm normally a dry red man, something like a Redman from Coonawarra, but have recently discovered a sweet cold red i like in moderation. It is a Brown Brothers Dolcetto & Syrah.

Also like most Margaret River wines i have tried and Pinots from the Mornington Peninsula and even NZ.

Cheers
FT

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Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 08:50 am:

The Benefits of Wine

"Sometimes when I reflect back on all the wine I drink I feel shamed, then I look into the glass and think about the workers in the winery and all of their hopes and dreams. If I didn't drink this wine, they might be out of work and their dreams would be shattered.
Then I say to myself, "It is better that I drink this wine and let their dreams come true, than be selfish and worry about my liver."
~Jack Handy

"Without question, the greatest invention in the history of mankind is wine.
Oh, I grant you that the wheel was also a fine invention, but the wheel does not go nearly as well with pizza."
~ Dave Barry

One afternoon at Cheers, Cliff was explaining the Buffalo Theory to his
buddy Norm. Here's how it went:
"Well ya see, Norm, it's like this... A herd of buffalo can only move as fast as the slowest buffalo. And when the herd is hunted, it is the slowest and weakest ones at the back that are killed first.
This natural selection is good for the herd as a whole, because the general speed and health of the whole group keeps improving by the regular killing of the weakest members.
In much the same way, the human brain can only operate as fast as the slowest brain cells. Excessive intake of alcohol, as we know, kills brain cells. But naturally, it attacks the slowest and weakest brain cells first. In this way, regular consumption of wine eliminates the weaker brain cells, making the brain a faster and more efficient machine!
That's why you always feel smarter after a few wines."

"I feel sorry for people who don't drink. When they wake up in the morning, that's as good as they're going to feel all day. "
~Frank Sinatra

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Sunday, November 28, 2004 - 07:30 pm:

Had some fantastic wines whilst on holiday in NZ,

My cousin inlaw, whose dad has the business of storing wines in individual temperature controlled rooms for the well heeled of NZ, is a rep for a certain nameless co. sounds like jacob's creek....

Had some bottles signed by the winemaker, fabulous, but the names are lost to posterity....

do remember a nice Wyndham estate 555 shiraz 1999.

the Huntaway Pinot at my farewell was sensational....

can't wait to go back.....

chance

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Tuesday, November 30, 2004 - 08:42 pm:

The winners are the best losers.......

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Wednesday, December 01, 2004 - 02:05 am:

Anyone INVEST in wine?

A couple of years ago, looking to get in a couple of cases for Xmas, I clicked on a Heritage Wines banner. Didn't buy anything, but subsequently found myself the target of a persistent salesman who phoned to tell me the advantages of investing in a portfolio of wines. At the time the all ords was 1000 pts lower than now and heading further south, the $A was worth not much more than 50C US and Aussie wines were doing very well over there. "Personal Investor" had just done an article on it. I said I wasn't interested, as I knew too little about it and was not interested in learning a new investment field. Well, I had all that cash sitting there waiting for the market to turn.....

I ended up the proud owner of 75 bottles of Warrenmang Cabernet Sauvignon 1999 ($3,600 or $48 per bottle) and 150 bottles of Kilikanoon The Covenant Shiraz 2001 ($5,700 or $38 per bottle). They've been cellared at Millers Wine Storage in Sydney for the last couple of years - in which time the stockmarket and the $A have soared, and the market for Aussie wines in the US has dwindled to the point that Heritage are now liquidating clients' portfolios on the Aussie market through their monthly newsletter. I could be waiting a long time for Heritage to move them: they currently have the Kilikanoon Shiraz on sale at $33.30, but Langtons last auction price for it was $22 and Langtons put the Warrenmang in the $20-$28 range.

Now that's my price range, and I could have a friend buy them (in order to effect the capital loss), and drown my sorrows in fine wine. But at my rate of consumption it would take five years to get through, and Cairns is not a good place to home cellar your grog! And how boring to drink the same wine year after year!

Tyche - Greek goddess of fortune and chance - was out with that Roman guy Bacchus when I made this investment! Any suggestions from the wine buffs?

Tyche

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Wednesday, December 01, 2004 - 05:45 am:

That's a nice problem to have, 6 months supply of quality wine.....

You could -

1. Hold for the upside, as the brokers say, how long will they keep for ?

2. Cut your losses and sell on ebay

3. Buy all the remaining stocks and corner the market !

4. Keep half and swap the rest with IC forum members for wine of similar value. (is there a web site that shows wine values?)

5. Hold a big party, with the entrance fee being the price of one bottle of wine..... bring your own wallet!

Lucky you,

cheers
chance

The winners are the best losers.......

tyche

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Sunday, May 29, 2005 - 11:59 am:

Heritage is now in liquidation - the receiver is in the process of discovering how much liquid there actually is. When his costs are deducted, and unpaid storage fees are met, etc etc....
The trouble you can get yourself into when you're cashed up and waiting for the market to turn!
Anyone else in this leaky boat?

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Thursday, October 20, 2005 - 11:43 am:

Hi Tyche,

No. But I am looking into a mob called " AUSTRALIAN PORTFOLIO WINES ". They claim some big returns from 25% up to 78% over 1 to 2 years.

You buy the wine and they manage it for you. [storage,sales ect.] I have not done much research as yet but does sound interesting.

I would love to hear from others if they have heard of them or would recommend them???

There web site is http://www.portfoliowines.com.au

Regards

TOM

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Friday, October 21, 2005 - 04:44 am:

Tom,

Don't do it Tom! Stop Tom! At least check this out first:

http://www.bankruptcy.net.au/heritage.htm

Email on the way....

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Friday, October 21, 2005 - 11:39 am:

Hi Tyche,

Thanks for the email and post. I had a quick flick through the web site and read your words with interest, You have convinced me to sit back and reconsider any thoughts I had of investing in a wine portfolio manager!

I was in the hunter valley last weekend for a wedding and when you are in a wine district, one must go wine tasting mustn't one. Maybe I will just join one of the cellar door wine clubs and then sit back and enjoy a nice glass of red!!

Thanks again Tyche

Regards

TOM

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Friday, January 20, 2006 - 11:05 pm:

Hi Tyche and Tom,

I have been approached by AWP as well.

What was Tyche's advice for you Tom? Mine to share?

Thanks

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Sunday, January 22, 2006 - 03:12 am:

Mike,

They called you? You didn't initiate the enquiry? Hmmm...

Was the person who called you a registered financial advisor or a telephone salesman?

Are you currently an investor in wine? Do you know the value of what you're proposing to pay for? How will you monitor the value of the portfolio? If you want to sell, what price will you get? Who determines the price?

What data are you using to estimate your return?

You might like check this site: http://www.bankruptcy.net.au/heritage.htm

particularly look at the questionnaire: www.bankruptcy.net.au/050726HeritageQuestionnaire.doc

As you're posting on a share forum, I assume you know something about that area of investment. Do you know as much about wine? Is the information about wine as readily available to you as the information about shares? Why not post the question on a wine chat site?

The same month I invested in wine (at the urging of a telephone salesman), I put the same amount into Oxiana. In the three and a half years since, the Oxiana investment has increased seven fold, or annualised, 160% pa. I could check the price by the minute, and increase or decrease the investment with no further ado than logging on to my broker site and executing the order.

My advice is to stick with what you know, and since you're asking the question on a shares forum, I assume it's shares you know - not wine.

If you really want to get into wine, I've a barrique of Kilikanoon The Covenant Shiraz 2001 that might interest you or a half barrique of Warrenmang Cabernet Sauvignon 1999. I'd like to get rid of them before the rest of the 1.2 to 1.5 million bottles currently held by Crouch Insolvency hit the market.

Tyche

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Sunday, January 22, 2006 - 03:19 am:

Mike,

Further reading:

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/09/13/1094927496815.html?from=storyrhs

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/printpage/0,5942,17805464,00.html

Tyche

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Sunday, January 22, 2006 - 09:37 pm:

Hi Mini 38,
Hi TYCHE,

I took note of what Tyche had to say. Did a little more research and would agree with tyche, there are other opportunities out there in what I pretend to know about "the share market etc."

However, I do like wine

and I do plan to have a portfolio of wine of my own "in the very near distant future??" Figure that one out!

Any how, let me know how you go.

Regards

TOM