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sakura

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Monday, April 16, 2007 - 12:09 pm:

Gday,

Just wondering if there was anyone on here trading the Traders International Eminis system. Ive been paper trading with it for a while and it seems to be quite a good system, however the hours a tough living in Sydney. Would want to know if i can apply there methodology to the DAX? Any ideas?

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Monday, April 16, 2007 - 10:24 pm:

Hi Sakura

I attended a TI seminar (some six months ago) where a couple of people stated they had been trading the DAX with the TI system successfully.

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Tuesday, April 17, 2007 - 10:53 am:

Thanks for the response wambam,

Im looking to get the Dax feed on esignal added shortly to do some backtesting/forward testing, I think it will work nicely from my research so far. I work full time so the hours for the eminis arent the best unless i change my whole sleeping patterns, which im not gonna do.

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Tuesday, April 17, 2007 - 03:43 pm:

You should ask TI if they could develop an autotrader for some of their set-ups.

Be careful of TI's claim about only trading two hours a day and making a good living.
Intraday trading of futures is all about probabilities and being able to take advantage of them, in addition to position sizing so you don't get wiped out quickly. Oh, and did I mention the psychology (read up on Mark Douglas).

Good Luck. You can do it.

Wambam

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Wednesday, April 18, 2007 - 12:12 pm:

Your right. From my paper trading I can't see how you could make a living with only 2 hours of trading a day because some days there simply isnt enough high probability signals and volatility in that time frame for this to work.

Its funny you say that i am just about to finish "The Diciplined Trader" Which I think was his first book.

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Sunday, May 06, 2007 - 08:41 pm:

I just saw TI at the Adelaide Investor Expo. The presenter wasn't the one advertised (namely the CEO!) and he wasn't the best (or knowledgeable) presenters.

But to promote 5-10% returns daily is just ridiculous, and should be illegal. Just 5% daily of $1K not compounded is over 1800% annually!!!! Yea right!!!

And all this education for an easy $7K!!!!!! And only $250pm for the platform!!!

Who's making the money here then!!!

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Monday, May 07, 2007 - 01:02 pm:

Gday,

It does seem quite expensive for the package and you could argue that there are alot more high prob systems out there that are cheaper, but you do get what you pay for, the thing i will say in there defense is their support is second to none which includes live tutorials every night on the S&P and the Russell, daily recap videos and the level of coaching is of a very high standard in my opinion. The $250 a month is discretionary you dont have to use esignal and strategy runner as your platforms. I use infinity which is free and trade station which is $99 a month.

Back to the topic though, ive been playing around with the dax and the TI system, im using 110 tick charts and so far so good. Looks like i wont have to stay up all night to do my trading.

Sakura

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Tuesday, May 08, 2007 - 10:50 pm:

Hi Sakura

Out of curiosity, are you using one particular TI set-up on the DAX or a number of their set-ups?
How are you coping with the high volatility of the DAX (as compared to S&P or dow)?

Wambam

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Wednesday, May 09, 2007 - 12:01 pm:

Hi Wambam,

At the moment im just using simple trend reversal signals to work out the most effective parameters in regards to exit strategy and stop loss. Like you said it, the Dax is very volatile (currently much more active/volatile than S&P)with very long candle sticks which made it hard to find clear stop loss targets etc. So ive been playing with 110 and 233 Tick charts and im fairly surprised by some of the profit. But its still early days and i still need to some more forward/back testing if i am going to use real money.

TI offer many types of different high probability setups all of which need a volatile market to operate at full potential. So the more active the market the more siganls i can find.

Exciting times....

Sakura

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Saturday, July 14, 2007 - 02:13 am:

Hi Sakura,

The Dax is really good to trade. You may also wish to check out the DJ EuroStoxx 50 contract which is also traded on the Eurex.

TI uses mainly Div/Pivot type reversal trades which are valid, but sice the Dax trends strongly, you might consider the Turtle Trading style of trend following and position adding.

Best of luck!

Fuad.

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Friday, January 11, 2008 - 04:04 pm:

Sakura;

Thought I might drop in and check on how the year has been with your TI experience. Are you trading for real yet? Hows it all going?

What is your recommendation for anyone considering TI?

Cheers.

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Friday, January 11, 2008 - 10:58 pm:

Hi Davkell

Maybe they're in the Bahamas ... looking for the guys who sold them the strategy!

Or maybe they're in the Bahamas ... living it up on the 1800% annual profits.

Seriously, I did a Google and added the word scam - seems there is some minimal stuff out there on that, usually posted by traders unable to handle the emotions aptly enough to succeed.

But I did not see enough positive stuff to warrant $7k + ongoing outgoings for the goings-on!

EDIT: I did a quick check and it seems none of the above participants in this thread have been around for many months ... in fact not long after the first post!

Agenda? Or genuine questions?

Hmmmmm!

(Message edited by ingot54 on January 11, 2008)

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Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 12:34 am:

Hi Guys/Gals,

Sorry to say but AUD7k is too much to pay for what is essentially a Pivot Point/Divergence trading methodology.

There are much better deals in the market and frankly, Div/Reversals are not that consistent.

As for trading EUREX Futures, yes the DAX is nice and Volatile, but the Euro Stoxx50 and the Bund are both more liquid and are both tradable.

I personally trade the DAX and Euro Stoxx50 after the European lunch hour and then switch to the US Futures when they open.

I'd be happy to share my experience and thoughts for those who are interested.

Cheers!

Fuad.

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Monday, October 27, 2008 - 07:48 am:

Hello, I am very new. Could anyone out there update me on Traders International and the value of paying for the course. They sell with hype and its offputting. I note that they closed their training room to live trades on the most profitable day of the decade and only allowed the pros to partake - this is disconcerting. Any positives or reality checks would be appreciated.

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Wednesday, October 29, 2008 - 02:53 pm:

Hi Traders,

For swing trading futures, I suggest www.pricephysics.com - It's run by a private trader called Bill Schamp and it's an excellent method. He was my original teacher and my trading floor uses his system for overnight positions.

Day trading is more tricky and much wil depend on your emotional make up. However, I do use my own methodology for day trades.

I suggest that you take a look at www.clinicaltrader.com/TraderTalk and read the Blog from the start.

I haven't updated for a while due to time constraints: managing the fund and mentoring my existing students. The volatility of the YM, ES and TF have doubled, which means stops, targets and risk per trade has substantially increased. This spooks a lot of traders out, but with a little adjustment to position size, there is no reason to depart from existing trade set-ups.

I hope that this helps.

Cheers!

Fuad.

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Wednesday, November 12, 2008 - 12:29 pm:

Hi julieanne, I have for some time been trying to find out if joining Traders international is worth the large amount they ask $7750 pluss $300 a month.

But despite the fact that they have thousands of members (so they say) I cant find anyone who will come forward and tell me what a great organisation they are and how they are making a fortune, or what the down side of trading weird hours are if any. So untill I can talk to someone other than a salesman I.ll give them a miss.

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Friday, April 10, 2009 - 06:14 am:

As a former TI member, I'd like to tell everyone 'Save your money'. Don't buy any system or indicators. Their daily results aren't even accurate. People are drawn to success stories and profit outlook, but all that is not real. I heard from former TI employee that individuals talking about profiting aren't even real.

If you really want to learn trading, stay away from indicators. You simply cannot be successful with indicators. If you are looking for real trader go to paltalk room 'onetickatatime' it's free to listen.

Trading for living is extremely difficult. However, they(promoters) make it very easy to jump in. So, people without much knowledge and hopes of making a killing spends thousands of money and pretty soon looses everything. I've been trading for about 6yrs and i'm just starting to get profitable. All this time, i was chasing after some great system, great formula or indicator. I knew I could figure this out. However, the reality is there is none. Things change everyday. You have to have a discipline to stick to your plan. You have to understand the market, why it moves certain way and therefore price action is the key not some indicators.

Oh, on the TI result table, they use multiple contracts(when i was there it was 3). So every stop is -3pt.
Considering that.. they're doing pretty bad.

TI's former moderator said he was professional trading thousands of contracts...fooling everybody he was only simulating. He's nolonger there. He actually created a new site called 'Bullzeye'.

Goodluck everyone.

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Tuesday, August 18, 2009 - 08:11 am:

You know TI is basic indicator reading for 6k. They did not give me the time of the day in the training room. They ignored my emini questions and never supported me. The owner does nothing once he has your money, no training, no support, nothing. They only show you the winners and not the losers ever and go for a silly 1 point but risk 2 points. You can never get caught up after 2 losers in a row, never.
Save your money and time.

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Thursday, November 12, 2009 - 09:10 pm:

I am interested by your comments emini trader, I have been using the system for 6 months and have found it very good and have a string of very profitable days most with 2 to 3 points. Did you ever ask for help or contact the office for support. I think you will find the support exceptional if you want it. What exactly did not work for you? If you follow the signals it works and yes some nights there are no trades because the signals do not match. Better to have no trade than to trade and loose! I am keen to hear your comments.

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Friday, November 13, 2009 - 11:07 am:

Hi Zafoid

Are you a satisfied purchaser, or a satisfied vendor for TI?

I have had some dealings with this business, through two of their clients, (as well as my own attempts to observe the trading room live during the visitor's session. More on those guest sessions shortly).

One client claims it is good, but doesn't think he will ever trade it full time. He offered to split the $1000 spotter's fee with me, making the plan accessible for me for $7200 instead of the $7700. Yet he is only a casual "player".

Didn't cut the mustard with me at all - I ventured that if it was the goods, the fellow would be trading in style after his year with them.

I work with the other client. He says he believes in it, but only takes the calls from the Trading Room Moderator. Then he says "it all depends who is moderating the session."

At this point I'm beginning to sniff again - allergy I guess!

I had words with Mark Holtermann about the Trading Room - I logged in several Wednesday evenings as instructed (or were those Tuesday evenings?) But while it was "live" I wasted a couple of evenings and on into the early hours, with no live trades shown or done ... and only a couple of disinterested people present as well.

At least they could have played a video of a live trade - instead of wasting my time on 2 occasions.

Then there was the Andrew Barnett caper - his "7 Steps to Trading Success" .pdf is now (apparently) out on his free DVD, through his spin-off eMiniGlobal company.

Barnett must have thought that my email address (from my contacts with TI) belonged to him, and so I now get emails from both ... or did!

Must be fairly lucrative hitting the rubes (sorry ... "dudes") for $7700. Why else would Barnett split and take half the TI data with him?

Suffice it to relate to you here, that I have turned my back on this company ... and eMini Global ... because of the top-end shenanigans in those companies, and the fact that both clients I know of, have yet to be convinced they can trade for a living, despite their defending their spending the $7700 to learn how to do just that.

Those that can trade ... trade.

Those that can't ... peddle the merchandise to those who wanna try ... right?

I'm speaking as someone who has tried to look at this company, but their disorganisation at 2 "guest" nights left me cold.

'Scuse my candid approach Zafoid, but I would be interested in the other side of this ... if there is one. I am not normally cynical up front - usually I give the person a fair go to show us the goods - even defend their right to have their say.

So ... show us the goods.

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Sunday, November 15, 2009 - 09:45 pm:

what!!!! NO SHOW?
methinks u may have hit the nail on the head 54

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Monday, November 16, 2009 - 11:41 pm:

Hi, well here I am and as it was the weekend I was out enjoying myself. :-) So to answer your questions, I can tell you that the people in question have left the company and so therefore have no longer any influence on what happens there. The management team that is running the company now is therefore a lot different and you will find are a lot more supportive and helpful. The philosophy has changed and so you will find that they want you to succeed, so much so that they have been running workshops around the country answering questions dealing with traders issues and putting things straight. All positive stuff designed to help traders make money. Which is why we are all here in the first place. On top of this they have some more dynamic signals that will soon be made available to take advantage of the current climate in the market and hence allow traders to potentially take advantage of this.
I am a satisfied purchaser, I have followed what I have learnt and it works, some nights there are no signals in the pre-market due to lack of signals but overall after a learning curve of identifying potential trades I am doing ok. I still have a way to go before I could call myself a star trader however given the level of support and commitment from TI, I feel confidant that this will happen. Yes you are right, those that trade do trade and the ones who are willing to show others what to do also share their knowledge because they want to out of no obligation. How else do you learn something? I would certainly want to learn from a successful trading rather than someone who is just a salesman! Depending on where you are I would suggest if you are interested, go along to one of their info nights and hear it from one of the new management team.
cheers
Zafoid

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Tuesday, November 17, 2009 - 02:45 pm:

Zafoid,

Why should readers believe you rather than the large number of complaints about Traders International and accusations of scams on the Internet?

Are you connected to them in any way other than as a subscriber?
When did you purchase their training course?
Have you ever received/been promised a payment or rebate from them for referrals?

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Wednesday, November 18, 2009 - 04:10 am:

I can't believe TI is still around...sigh.

Traders, save the AUD$7k.

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Thursday, December 17, 2009 - 06:40 pm:

I'm an ex TI member. I have been a member for over a year now. I traded in the pro room and took all the moderators calls and guess what..... I lost money.

I traded live dollars, unlike the moderators and never achieved the same results as their results are not 100% accurate.

I have since turned off TI and now trade on my own and have been successful and profitable ever since. Their system of trading divergence really does not work, especially on a strong trending day.

I have wasted over $10k on TI, and would strongly suggest that you do not make the same mistake that I did. There are far better systems and companies out there. Do your homework and you'll be surprised what you find.

Save you money and save time - keep well away from TI. Their sales and marketing is excellent, however when it comes to trading, this is where they fall down!

Happy trading

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Friday, February 26, 2010 - 06:40 am:

I signed up for TI in March 2009. With the currency exchange as poor as it was at the time it ended up costing me about $10k CDN.

Before I committed I sat in on one of Afshin's sales conferences. A person asked him about achieving the moderator's results. He actually got a little snarky and said if you're smart enough to push a button you can make money--and said that TI can't be responsible for holding your hand in pulling the trigger. It rubbed me the wrong way but yet I gave my money over. Over the next few months I lost about $15,000 plus the hours and hours I spent every day on this. The "Pro Room" was particular disastrous for me as I followed the mod into his foolishness. I'm not a dummy and have 7 years of College and University and was just trying my best to follow the moderator. The regular "Trading Room" is really no better and will just drain your account slower--in my opinion.

In October I started in their Forex room. There have been moments of promise but really just plan on sitting at BE for months on end in the real world. Miss one day of trading however and you could be down %25 on the month. I have a half a dozen friends trading in that room with me and they report the exact same thing. After 5 months in the FX room my account is down 20% and that's not including the $1500 that I've spent on my room subscription and the hours each day I've spent. I'm finally packing it in with TI.

To nutshell... my experience was a costly one. I'm a fairly apt person but all I was able to do with TI was lose money. And don't think that you're getting a trading education if you sign on with them. Their "education" just gives you what you need to work with their moderators--no advanced or even moderate level trading education. You just pay your sign up fee to then in turn be allowed to pay their $300/month room fees.

To end everything off when I canceled my subscription the girl seemed to almost take it personally. I was very nice with her but when I was saying good-bye there was no "thanks for spending a year with us... thanks for your support... thanks for your time... hope to see you back... is there anything we can do to keep you"... nothing. Her last words to me were a disappointing "I hope you find what you're looking for"... as if it was my problem that I wasn't successful with TI.

I won't tell anyone what to do. You can all make your own decisions. For me, however, TI was a foolish decision that I greatly regret and I feel really bad that my wife went out on a limb and allowed me to do this because I sold her the same bag of goods that TI had sold me. Now, I'm rewarding my wife's faith in my judgment with vapouriziing $25,000 of my family's money that we really didn't have to waste. I feel equally guilty because I'm responsible for 3 of my friends doing this too and they're all in the exact same boat as me.

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Friday, February 26, 2010 - 08:15 am:

menschie

Thanks for sharing that. Hopefully it will help others to make up their minds about these sort of schemes. A few years ago I went to a Storm Financial seminar and even went as far as to get a quote for them to set up an "investment plan". They wanted about $35k. No thanks.

Best of luck for the future.

Cheers
Sway

This is not a recommendation or advice. As they say .... DYOR.

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Friday, February 26, 2010 - 10:21 am:

My pleasure sway. After 1 full committed year of really trying to make TI work I really wanted to be a voice for those who are looking for information from real people.

The person who brought me in to TI had been with TI for quite a while and I quickly realized sugar coated everything even when I grilled him about the downside as well as the up. I want people considering TI to have the real, ground zero scoop that I was never given.

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Wednesday, March 03, 2010 - 12:30 pm:

Hi Menschie,

Really appreciate your post as I have been seeking as much information about TI's forex as I can get but have been hitting a brick wall to the point that I was beginning to be swayed into believing that TI FX was actually bonafide and they were actually making the pips they outwardly claim.

Can you please clarify a couple of things for me?

1. They currently claim to be up around 4000 pips since the fx room began in August. I've been to their seminars etc and been assured this is all real time trading, open to all scrutiny etc etc. If this is the case, why did you lose money?

2. Were you receiving their sms trades? Again if so why were you losing money when the weekly results have been published and generally very profitable?

If what you say is true then why are there not more people out there like you screaming about TI (yes there are plenty prior to 2007 but not many of late on any forums)

I am one of those people who loves FX but dont really want to spend all night and day infront of my screen so have been looking for a service such as TI's forex sms service. As I said their published results have been exceptional so I was leaning that way despite the initial expense.

Hmmmmmm....tell me more of your experiences please.

Rgds

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Thursday, March 04, 2010 - 10:36 am:

First of all, the reason there are not a million posts out there screaming about why TI has not worked out for them is because they are average people like me... with families, invested a lot of time into it, feel stupid about their mistake and would rather just move on. To be honest I almost didn't even respond to your post because I'm just about at the limit of the amount of time I want to give my TI experience and just want it to go away by now. That said, I'll answer your questions:

1. In the FX room the mod is in there for 12 or 14 hours--so if you want to be in every trade you need to be available for that entire time. In speaking to the room mod you need to make every trade. In my experience there will be 6 trades called within an hour or 2 for 80 or 100 pips each. And that could be at 3am. Miss that and you miss your profit for the month. There is not a nice mix of bad and good trades peppered evenly. You could easily have 40 bad trades in a row (a week of trading) and then have 1 good day that breaks you even. Also there have been weeks where I spent every second in the room that the moderator did and my results didn't match. Not calling her a liar, I don't think that she is, it's just that my results were not what hers were. Let me say this as well... I have a friend who is a carpenter, a friend who is a web tech consultant, and a person who is an engineer for huge company who I got into TI who are all in the exact same boat as I am. 3 people I know have recently packed it in with them and 1 is going to try to hang on for another month. None of us are inept and we all gave it our best "team try".

2. Their SMS works for some sporadically and never for others (it never worked for me). That said I stayed in the room constantly so I didn't miss trades so the SMS was a non issue.

Anyway folks. That's my experience. Apart from doing interviews, multiple Q&A periods, giving copies of my trading records, etc. etc. I think I've given a pretty clear picture of my TI experience which spans over a year. I wish I would have had a testimony like mine when I was looking into TI but also found very little on the net. It wasn't until I signed on that I very quickly realized that all was not what it was billed to be. So, I'm not going to hold anyone's hand through this process. Only you can make the decision. Take my advice and do with it what you want. I surely won't be offended if you don't heed it. I will say that it was my hope and ambition that blinded me to looking into this further, and dreams of replacing (or heck, even supplementing) my income while I sat on a beach somewhere. A lot of wasted money later I'm here typing to you. Good luck to all of you.

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Thursday, March 04, 2010 - 11:49 am:

Thanks Menschie.....I'm based in Australia so the pro room is a lot more 'accessable' but all the same I never want to be sitting in front of a screen all day. The SMS service is what I was after and I would have thought or hoped that their published trades

http://www.tradersinternational.com/usa/forex-latest-live-signal-results.html

Were all SMS'd trades.

Anyways you've clearly had enough so I'll leave you alone and again thank you for 'enlightening' me and probably saving me a fortune!

Rgds

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Friday, March 05, 2010 - 08:11 pm:

To me, it sounds like the TI FX system is just as bad as the TI futures system. Although I'm not surprised at all as both are run by TI!!!

Menschie, I can feel your pain. I have had the same bad experience with TI. The more people read these posts, hopefully the more they will realise TI is a waste of time and money. This is turn will lead to less people being suckered in and having the same experience as us.

Good luck and don't give up.

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Friday, March 12, 2010 - 09:35 pm:

omg menschie i just made a terrible mistake i just put in my check to TI literally 10 minutes ago at the post office ( just got off work on my way home ) granted it was for 6k with 3 free months to the trade rooms (some promo for the 12 year anni is what afshin said ) and not 10k like i seen other people saying i just got desperate have lost so much in markets feels like im the only one providing the other peoples profit so i gave into TI talk after going to their free seminars for 5 weeks yes 5 weeks would go in 2 times a week till i broke, what should i do im by far rich or anything i just got a 15k tax refund and wanted to have my money work for me please advise anyone im in missouri so it should take 3-4 days for the letter to get to them

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Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 04:02 am:

you know what i'd do from reading my posts. take my advice or don't. you're an adult. there's nothing more that i can say. if you go through with it don't you dare show up on any forums whining about TI though as you've been squarely warned.

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Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 05:24 pm:

Well Dark Angel....the least you can do is give us a report after your first month or so.

The word guinea pig comes to mind..... an Australian expression.

Good luck DA

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