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     ann
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| | Saturday, April 02, 2005 - 03:42 pm: |  
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Cat Stevens - Father and Son Lyrics
Father
It's not time to make a change,
Just relax, take it easy.
You're still young, that's your fault,
There's so much you have to know.
Find a girl, settle down,
If you want you can marry.
Look at me, I am old, but I'm happy.
I was once like you are now, and I know that it's not easy,
To be calm when you've found something going on.
But take your time, think a lot,
Why, think of everything you've got.
For you will still be here tomorrow, but your dreams may not.
Son
How can I try to explain, when I do he turns away again.
It's always been the same, same old story.
From the moment I could talk I was ordered to listen.
Now there's a way and I know that I have to go away.
I know I have to go.
Father
It's not time to make a change,
Just sit down, take it slowly.
You're still young, that's your fault,
There's so much you have to go through.
Find a girl, settle down,
if you want you can marry.
Look at me, I am old, but I'm happy.
(Son-- Away Away Away, I know I have to
Make this decision alone - no)
Son
All the times that I cried, keeping all the things I knew
inside,
It's hard, but it's harder to ignore it.
If they were right, I'd agree, but it's them They know not me.
Now there's a way and I know that I have to go away.
I know I have to go.
(Father-- Stay Stay Stay, Why must you go and
make this decision alone?)
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ann
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| | Saturday, April 02, 2005 - 07:29 pm: |
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.............IF...............
If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you
But make allowance for their doubting too,
If you can wait and not be tired by waiting,
Or being lied about, don't deal in lies,
Or being hated, don't give way to hating,
And yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise:
If you can dream--and not make dreams your master,
If you can think--and not make thoughts your aim;
If you can meet with Triumph and Disaster
And treat those two impostors just the same;
If you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken
Twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools,
Or watch the things you gave your life to, broken,
And stoop and build 'em up with worn-out tools:
If you can make one heap of all your winnings
And risk it all on one turn of pitch-and-toss,
And lose, and start again at your beginnings
And never breath a word about your loss;
If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew
To serve your turn long after they are gone,
And so hold on when there is nothing in you
Except the Will which says to them: "Hold on!"
If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,
Or walk with kings--nor lose the common touch,
If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you;
If all men count with you, but none too much,
If you can fill the unforgiving minute
With sixty seconds' worth of distance run,
Yours is the Earth and everything that's in it,
And--which is more--you'll be a Man, my son!
--Rudyard Kipling
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dogalog
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| | Sunday, April 03, 2005 - 12:31 pm: |
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I chose this Cat Steven's song because the way i hear it,it's a single person not two,the contrasting voices are left/right brain of one.Listening to it this way takes the Polonius,Pontificating Father image away,and reveals d'Deeper meaning.  ? no or
IF, on the other hand is colonial claptrap of d'Left brain contrivance.If i remember the last line had Gunga Din instead of son as above.If that it right,this is just pure propoganda by this pommie 19th century prat trying to go 'Forget about them naughty Sepoys murdering us,check out 'noble' Gunga Din.I've never read the book,i might have seen the movie.Did it have Errol Flynn in it?
Anyway,thanks again Ann for posting the Lyrics and even d'poem.I'll be back with a tale of DT and those very bold insto's later.Afraid it'll be an open d'folder job,it seems my software is incompatible or something.
cheers,d'jr.
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dogalog
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| | Monday, April 04, 2005 - 10:42 pm: |
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Sorry my software is incompatible,it seems for delivery other than in a Folder.I hope this may start a Debate on the Topic 'beloved' by all long time if not long term investors-but it's different this time..
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| | Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 12:12 pm: |
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Hi dj
Interesting and quite possible with the computer to have all the info on shareholders in each company.
Some of this data is in the annual reports i think.
When money is involved and someone is looking for an edge anything is possible.
The guys that move the price the most are the top shareholders when they move in and out i would think.
Peter mentioned the market is small and i tend to agree, with more and more funds trying to move larger and larger amounts of money around.
The suspicion on the big drops and almost instant corrections , tiger tails or whatever they called them, was just the stop loss triggers i reckon with commsec etc.
Using TA the trigger points would be known to anyone.
Using the shareregistery the number of small holdings and the investor timeframe would make it easy to pick the shares to move on.
Bit out of my league but perhaps we could start a group thing, "The Stop Loss Raiders".
Looks like that asian motor kar is making you a few bucks today dj
(Message edited by msparks on April 05, 2005)
mm
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| | Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 12:36 pm: |
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MM,
Agree with you a few bucks can be made raiding the stop loss "kami kazi" alone.I always watch in fascination how steep and rapid the jump is.
PL
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Disclaimer: Please note that comments made in this column is mainly for the interpretation of charts in technical analysis. It is not made in my professional capacity and should not be taken as advice.In my professional capacity I am only allowed to give advice on certain managed funds authorised by my license dealer.Any share discuss is for general interest and should not be relied on to make an investment decision.It is likely that I may own the shares that we discussed as a trade or as an investment. Please consult your stock broker or financial adviser in regard to your personal situation.
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peterloh
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| | Tuesday, April 05, 2005 - 02:23 pm: |
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BUT BE CAREFUL IT IS NOT A FALLING DAGGER
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Disclaimer: Please note that comments made in this column is mainly for the interpretation of charts in technical analysis. It is not made in my professional capacity and should not be taken as advice.In my professional capacity I am only allowed to give advice on certain managed funds authorised by my license dealer.Any share discuss is for general interest and should not be relied on to make an investment decision.It is likely that I may own the shares that we discussed as a trade or as an investment. Please consult your stock broker or financial adviser in regard to your personal situation.
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dogalog
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| | Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - 10:07 pm: |
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Hi Mark,
you may be missing the point of the 'Categorising',i propose may be happening.By Company Register search,individual long term holders,DIY super funds,Trader Stock etc could all be identified as INDIVIDUALS and then put into caterogies to guage the effect of the relatively few Funds actions.You,of course,agree the computers can do this.If you want proof of that?just leave say $100 in interest or dividends out of your tax return,wait 9-12 months and see if a letter arrives from d'Office.
Re the Stop Loss raids of a few months ago?If i was Reaaaal cloak and dagger,i'd propose that THEY were trialling the system or softening up the sheep for DROPS that didn't bounce back.That's what is interesting me in Auto Stop Losses.These ASL's were touted as safety nets and yet you see still the fall thru the gaps.
Anyway,i thought i'd write something on the origins of the cliche Cloak and Dagger-In the old days like 16th century when gentlemen[or otherwise] had a knife fight,they used to wrap their cloak around one arm hanging down.This acted as a deflector/shield as well as hiding their knife position and more importantly their feet moves.
I saw two Italians have a knife fight once,they seemed to have all these rules about it,it wasn't just some twerp whipping out a shiv[or machete these days] and taking a lunge.It was like,well,a ballet with blood,Chucking a Toreodore with no bull!These Iti's used their coats instead of cloaks,it was afterwards i was told about the cliche.
Anyway,i just wanted to make the point that cliches have a basis in reality.It's just that you get tired of hearing them that has their meaning lost.
No need to reply,MM.i'll get back to shares and investment soon.I think I'll do a little piece on Agriculture,maybe tomorrow.
cheers,
jr
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dogalog
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| | Thursday, April 07, 2005 - 02:41 pm: |
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Any non-true believers,page 11 today's Fin Review supplement.Read all about Share Register Analysis Companies and no,me too,i'd never heard about them before.Why,i just imagined them or dreamt on the WHAT IF's.
$2.50/day on the Fin Review is a must have ESPECIALLY if you want to avoid 'Noise'and think for yourself.
dum de dumdum whooooo
jr?
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ann
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| | Thursday, April 07, 2005 - 03:00 pm: |
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jr I am shocked at your innocence....why I don't know. I should know better by now.
Fund raisers amongst others use them for a soft touch.
Holiday floggers look for old farts with DIY super.
Good lurk jr, astounded you haven't thought of it already!!!
If you want to look at share registry details, you just go in and ask, you don't even have to offer identification as I understand it. Is this what the Fin Review said?
Cheers
Ann
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dogalog
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| | Thursday, April 07, 2005 - 03:17 pm: |
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if you've read the above folder Ann,you'd see what i didn't know 4sure was that the open registers were being programmed.
The fin hasn't got THAT far yet.It's story is about getting into/behind nominee companies on registers to find HOW many are actually held by single entities'splitting'holdings to hide from reporting.
you should buy a copy while shopping.Fab info today on Coles for one thing.
As an aside- one of the volatility quoted journos[not allan]i might know her,she's got a familiar name,anyway at my punk dances she was a non cottontail wearer,short leather skirt she wore,beefy but shapely and always sans[is dat without?]
I try to maintain innocence at all times,thanks for noticing.
cheers,
jr
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