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     ingot54
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Username: ingot54
Post Number: 1125
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| | Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 04:59 pm: | 
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<<< Ingot & others, I have deleted this post as Ann is unable to respond. In the light of her role as moderator on another forum I have asked her to stop posting on Incredible Charts. Regards, Colin >>>
(Message edited by colin_twiggs on February 15, 2006)
Keep Smiling
Trading style :CFD's predominantly. Looking for ways to enter CFD trading over long term.
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julles
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Username: julles
Post Number: 1641
Registered: 01-2003Rating: N/A
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| | Thursday, February 16, 2006 - 11:03 pm: |
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And I was just going to say something that you may have thought profound.
I did read what Ingot said, I spent at least 2 hours searching for the thread implied.
I do think the wood shed is a good idea, however you Colin and Robin may have to allow more room on the server than you anticipated, as I've certainly got a lot to say.
If we aren't able to express freedom of speech, what can we do?
Julles
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spider
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Username: spider
Post Number: 2396
Registered: 10-2002Rating: N/A
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| | Friday, February 17, 2006 - 12:42 pm: |
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Hi julles,
there is an art to "getting things off your chest" while staying within the forum rules, but I do believe that it is worth the effort.
Bottling things up only makes things worse.
I believe that we can challenge each other and still show respect.
This is why we have worked so hard in recent times to weed out the 'knockers' that refused to show respect for the members of this forum, and tried instead to denigrate the person, rather than challenge the ideas.
Sometimes, speaking out clears the air (and sometimes it doesn't).
It gives people a chance to put the record straight.
In recent times I have been guilty of keeping quiet when some of the ratbags have been sounding off. I did so in an attempt to not make things worse.
This was probably the wrong decision on my part, but frankly, I don't mind debating with people who have something to say, but I feel that I am just waisting my time with people who have a disruptive agenda.
Julles, you always speak from the heart, and I love you for it.
As traders we have a difficult road to travel, and I don't believe that we will be less successful if we take the time to help each other.
Over the last few months Colin has decided to ask a few disruptive members to leave the forum, and I believe that we are better for it.
Colin is way more tolerant than I am, and is always in favour of giving people a chance to modify their behaviour, and I admire him for that.
We cannot be harmed by an honest evaluation of what we do here, as long as we strive to support those that have chosen the same path that we have chosen.
The 'back page' is the best place for this to happen. People get upset when discussion of personalities gets mixed up with discussions of TA.
As always, you add something special to our IC family.
spider.
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rederob
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Username: rederob
Post Number: 1698
Registered: 10-2002Rating: N/A
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| | Friday, February 17, 2006 - 10:47 pm: |
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spider
It is one thing to do as you say, but in your case you have, on the evidence available in this forum, made a habit of the opposite.
There was a particular weekend some time back when posters were being criticised for their grammar and writing skills, yet not a single member of Colin's panel had a voice.
I find your post, immediately above, disingenuous.
Who are these mysterious "knockers" that have been weeded out?
Captain Chaza libels another member of the forum and he is still posting. Yet you sprung to the defence of a person who calls another a pedophile!
Who are these mysterious ratbags that have been sounding off?
I recall Captain Chaza making some pretty insulting remarks on several occasions, and drawing rebukes from other posters for his possible drunken state. And you commented in what particular manner when these events occurred?
One of the more curious aspects of your demeanour related to the banning of Gibson last year. Rather than focus on the matter of Gibson's ban, you thought I had a problem, and that my problem could be solved by simply posting all of Gibson's thoughts under my name.
Let's look at the type of comment you are prone to making: "I also notice that most of the snide remarks are coming from members that do not profess to be TA oriented, I'm not sure what that means , but I do find it interesting."
How does one reconcile that type of comment with your very own view that " [you] believe that we can challenge each other and still show respect"?
I now see Colin is trying to get a straight answer from Captain Chaza because he is in breach of Forum Rules, and has been for a good while. Again, not a word from you here, or have I missed something (I admit to reading very few of the posts overall)?
I won't seek an explanation from you as you may not want to waste your time.
In any event, the observant reader here will have much to focus their attention to should they want to delve deeper.
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spider
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Username: spider
Post Number: 2398
Registered: 10-2002Rating: 
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| | Friday, February 17, 2006 - 11:53 pm: |
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There was a particular weekend some time back when posters were being criticised for their grammar and writing skills, yet not a single member of Colin's panel had a voice.
Is it me or the moderators panel that you have a problem with.
Maybe you need a moment to decide.
Who are these mysterious "knockers" that have been weeded out?
A simple check of the forum to see who is no longer here would answer your question, but you knew the answer, didn't you?
But, don't get me wrong, I'm glad that you brought this up as I would like Colin to tell the forum any time that a poster is asked to leave, as I'm sure that it would show very clearly, to all concerned, that the members of this forum are serious about maintaining standards.
I recall Captain Chaza making some pretty insulting remarks on several occasions, and drawing rebukes from other posters for his possible drunken state. And you commented in what particular manner when these events occurred?
Are you seriously suggesting that it is my job to comment on every half wit comment that appears on this forum?
I do have a few other things to do during the day.
One of the more curious aspects of your demeanour related to the banning of Gibson last year. Rather than focus on the matter of Gibson's ban, you thought I had a problem, and that my problem could be solved by simply posting all of Gibson's thoughts under my name.
You just cannot get passed that, can you?
Go back and read ALL of what I said, and you may just get it this time around.
Let's look at the type of comment you are prone to making: "I also notice that most of the snide remarks are coming from members that do not profess to be TA oriented, I'm not sure what that means , but I do find it interesting."
As I said, I do find it interesting, and I still do. Most of our problems in recent times have not come from the ranks of the TAers.
I do have a theory, and it is only a theory mind you, I could be wrong.
I think that there is a good chance that some of these turkeys have wandered onto this site because they are not getting enough attention on the FA sites (possibly because they are full of turkeys just like them), so they come here for some entertainment.
How does one reconcile that type of comment with your very own view that " [you] believe that we can challenge each other and still show respect"?
The key word here is 'respect'.
There has been plenty of challenging, but precious little respect.
I now see Colin is trying to get a straight answer from Captain Chaza because he is in breach of Forum Rules, and has been for a good while. Again, not a word from you here, or have I missed something (I admit to reading very few of the posts overall)?
Let's get this one cleared up right now.
I have , in the past, and I will in the future, stand up for my friends when I believe that they are being unfairly targeted.
CC has lashed out when attacked, and not always in a way that I would like him too.
But, get this very clearly into your head, I do not abandon my friends, and I don't expect them to be perfect, they are human and will probably make the kinds of mistakes that humans make, but I am not going to leave them to the mercies of the knockers.
I won't seek an explanation from you as you may not want to waste your time.
You are right in that I do not intend to waste a lot of time on you, rehashing old issues that have already been dealt with.
While we are on the subject, let me say that I consider you to be one of the snipers. You are held in high regard by many here, but I believe that you have a nasty habit of taking chunks out of other peoples posts and quoting them out of context in a feeble attempt to score points.
If you are as good with words as most believe you to be, them why do you stoop to these tactics?
You may well wish to ponder your own words"In any event, the observant reader here will have much to focus their attention to should they want to delve deeper.
If you have anything new to discuss, then please feel free, but don't expect me to waste my time constantly going over old ground.
spider.
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colin_twiggs
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Username: colin_twiggs
Post Number: 2448
Registered: 09-2002Rating: N/A
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| | Saturday, February 18, 2006 - 09:24 am: |
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Rederob,
Your posts normally reflect a depth of research and analysis of the facts before forming a considered opinion.
(1) Warnings to members are issued privately, so (I take it) you are unaware of how many warnings are issued to individual members (including CC). If you would like to see this changed, we can discuss this in a separate thread.
(2) As for the Panel protecting their mates -- you may be ignorant of the facts. Personally, I cannot fault Spider's conduct in any discussions connected with his friends. And, as the moderator, the final say on whether someone stays or goes is mine -- not the Panel's -- though obviously I may be influenced by their views.
(3) Regarding giving people a second chance. I am prepared to do so except where I view a member as misleading other members, a danger to other readers (primarily to their capital), or directly/indirectly promoting a competitor (you would not get far posting Jaguar reviews on the BMW website).
If you need any further information I am happy to oblige as long it does not infringe on other members' privacy.
Regards,
Colin
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rederob
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Username: rederob
Post Number: 1699
Registered: 10-2002Rating: N/A
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| | Saturday, February 18, 2006 - 09:26 am: |
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spider
Thank you for taking the time to respond.
It confirms every word I said.
It is a shame there is little substance in your defence, but, again, obfuscation has its value!
I am pleased that you came clean and called me one of the snipers. It shows a character trait of yours that you continue not to see, because you want to see something else.
I unashamedly have railed against rampers on this forum and have attempted to bring to account those that have derided others. In relation to matters of the markets on fundamental matters I have been willing to present a contrary view as best as I can. From time to time others have taken personal offence at my stance, and on every occasion that I recall I have either personally emailed them to tell them that I never meant a personal affront, or apologised via a post in reply (ask Captain Chaza how many emails I have sent him). I dearly love holycow - he probably does not know it - but he nearly always sees me attacking him, rather than his arguments or cases "for the bear".
There is a marked difference in how you and I use words, spider. Readers can carefully check any of my many posts for any so-called "snide" remarks. I suspect few if any would be found because, unlike what you believe, I have no interest in "scoring points". You have the unfortunate habit of shooting yourself in the foot. My remarks are clearly uncomplimentary, in this case directly to you, but they are not made in a sneering, jeering, supercilious, superior manner. An exception I recall (not made to you) was when someone suggested my and other posters writing skills could be worked on, so I did reply then in a clearly superior way seeing the writer had chosen the occasional inappropriate word or phrase: It was a calculated and deliberate put down.
When you accuse others of things you have not substantiated, you leave yourself wide open.
Make your rebuttals sharper and more difficult to refute by ensuring you have amply backed them up.
You seem to have the capacity, so just apply more intellect.
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colin_twiggs
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Username: colin_twiggs
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| | Saturday, February 18, 2006 - 07:42 pm: |
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I am losing patience with this type of interchange.
This is a Technical Analysis forum -- not a Dear Annie column. If you have issues to sort out, deal with them by private mail, not here on the forum.
Regards,
Colin
(Message edited by colin_twiggs on February 18, 2006)
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