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Sunday, October 14, 2007 - 12:32 pm:

This is a Long Term Hold.The Scenario of DYE deserves your being Riveted.
This is a Weinstein Stage II Live2AIR.
It's got this Recent Recruit,Dave Gelblum Billionaire.
Oh and it's Tightly Held with a Depth that has been like Volatile.
A single gotta get me money today
[ie a Seller]
can with even a 10k # even $$$
[ie a run of d'mill pilgrim to MaMMon]
rush down the Bids.

The Chart.It'll crack back over $2 soon.

the plot so far...

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BUT I SEE what you DO"

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Thursday, October 18, 2007 - 12:09 pm:

Manna Time refers to when All Australian Shareholders got 4500 shares at $1.10 issued to them.Share Price did that $2.40 AFTER the ex-date but before Actual Issue.
At the same time
1]A Placement to Overseas "Sophisticatos" happened but not including
2]This retiring Billionaire of 52years age started issuing Substantial Holder Notices based on his purchases daily on ASX and Frankfurt.

? is the subprime meltdown where a lot of these 4500# Holders cashed out their Dollar Tenners,yeah it was a bit of a Kick but Dave Gelbaum had kept buying all over that 2 Buck$ manna period[dave's d'billionaire]

So then we come to DuD Day.
this is dud but illustrates how Volume Data can be Distorted.
See on that day 31st August,some directors/inventors shares came off escrow and Dave bought 1.8 million shares and 4.5 million Options of this bloke.
BUT he paid $1.72 Seventy TWO yet the Chart doesn't show ANY trading at 72 on 31/8/07 but it DOES include the Volume.

Anyway,within a week Dave Gelbaum converted the 20 cent Options into Shares[that put near a Million more into the DYE Cash Vault]

It all washes up this FAscinating FAct that this Billionaire Dave has about 16% of the DYE Shares and it cost calculates out that this Substantial Holding cost him approx $1.60 a share!!

DYE is ConSolid dating.

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BUT I SEE what you DO"

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Wednesday, October 24, 2007 - 02:50 pm:

Believe it,this one is for the FAithful.
Six?Twelve months and well,DYE could be anywhere pricewise.

Why it could match it's Global Spread,they value solar in Germany at a Billion Ba$$ Market Cap,when you go into it DYE is not a manufacturer,it does NOT have OverHead in holding Stock.
DYE holds the Patents to 90++% of this nano-technology.
Basically DYE does solar power based on photosynthesis like PLANTS do.
Already a Monster India Based conglomerate is putting Idea into Action. Going to put DYE's Muck on Steel,starting NEXT YEAR.

The Plot is to cover buildings in DYE related "Goo"
and be Self Generating.

oh so when you look at Chart and see a minor Lower Low,it's a case of the No Worries.DYE is for At Least $3,it COULD happen Any Day,think I'll hold on,thanks all d'Same.

I got relatively Too Much riding on DYE but it doesn't cause me no sleepless nights.It's a GOer!!

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BUT I SEE what you DO"

Zelman Cowan 1970 Canetoad!

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Thursday, November 08, 2007 - 11:08 am:

DYE Daily/Weekly

1) Dug, not going to argue with you over the merit of this company and its product from the FA angle... coz I know not much about its product. I like its "greenness" and its status as a new product with a lot of potential, but, until it is tested proven and accepted by the market, at this stage, it is to me another of those high tech or biotech stocks where the prospect is promising but it's like driving towards a mountain - it's right infront of you but it will take ages to reach there!

So is DYE a far away mountain?

2) Looking at it from a TA angle, due to its illiquidity, this stock is hard to read on a daily basis. So the weekly chart is probably more reliable here. Overall a good trending stock (spell promising). To go places, it needs to break the 2.00 resistance, which, looking at it from investing angle, 2.00 is probably what the market is willing to pay at a max!

This is how I will look forward from here - if it breaks this 2.00 wall, it is telling me there's a new break through, either in product development or in in product sales. If not, it will be mucking time at the current level, 1.60 is probably a fair market value.

3) CAUTION! a) note the 11 month trend break in the weekly chart, if the support at 1.50 fails I would lock in some profit at least, b) 1.20 is probably where it will decline to if(IF) 1.50 fails.

Cheers.

HC

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Saturday, November 10, 2007 - 10:58 am:

I'm going to spend the week-end "ramping" Dyesol.I mean "ramping" in a sense beyond say the krisbarry method.If you haven't come across krisbarry?Well you're lucky and I hope these weekend posts give you an "appreciation" of positive ramping,informing you of an "opportunity" in the Share Market.

BUY DYE! why?
DYE has,as HC stated above,an element of Risk associated usually with High Tech and Biotech Stocks.
It's "different" because

1]It is NOT a cash burner,constantly coming to the Sophisticated Investor Class for more Capital.
DYE is owned/has as it's major Shareholder a couple called the Tullochs.Sylvia Tulloch is the Managing Director while the husband[who's given name escapes me] is a Boffin in charge of Research.
Naturally they yearly get Option packages.Just the other day,hubbie got 1 million options because some target got reached but the point is,DYE is not an over-issued diluted three times a year,share issuer as is so common in HolyCows comparative Hi/Bio Techs on the Market.I'll return to this FACTor later.

2]In it's Technology DYE has No Competitor in it's particular niche.
DYE has combined the Development of it's particular technology with the Application of such technology,thus it's Boffin Aspect is combined with Practical Application.

Just one Example of this is a company in Wales England doing G4 mobile phones,licensed by DYE to use it's product.
See DYE is a solar energy "system" that does NOT require blazing sunlight to operate.It can work even just under fluro lights.
Now we in the "West" see mobile phones as a fashion accessory.Something like G4 mobiles,we can dismiss as just a Gadget/Gimmick that perhaps we can live without.
BUT the new Gigantor Chindia are noteworthy because they lack the infrastructure of a Power Grid.There you can't recharge your Battery over night,in some places there isn't even a Power Point or if there is,often it ain't working.
This world NEEDS battery power so it can communicate and Solar Batteries as developed by DYE "science" is their Best HOPE.
DYE has also milestone developed batteries for Defence Applications.A fabulous Market developing just in that alone.

that's not all I've got to say to do the convince but it's enough for now.

"I hear WHAT you say,
BUT I SEE what you DO"

Zelman Cowan 1970 Canetoad!

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Saturday, November 10, 2007 - 11:50 am:

You'll have to forgive me if these posts start "rambling".
This is straight off the top of my head.
I'm not writing some pre-prepared piece and I'm not a fan of cut'n'paste posts where someone elses interpretation gets pride of place.I particularly abhor cut'n'paste jobs that have NO individual point/lines in them so I'm not a particular Holy Cow "devotee" but I must say HC when he does fifty words or more really gives "d'Insight".

Anyway back to DYE.
DYE doesn't dilute because it gets plenty of money just thrown at them!
Grants,pilgrims.
DYE is a Government Grant Magnet!
Not just from Us,
NO!DYE ain't a bleed on the Oz "Working Families" Budget.DYE hasn't reached it's potential for Government Backing here...yet.
but over in the UK,there's this Carbon Trust that hands out Grants overseen by one of them,Oxford/Eton University Boards.Million$Pilgims.
and of course the Europeans especially the Germans are all Green determined;much more than here...yet.

That's Why Wales UK.
do you follow?
Degradated by Coal,Wales is doing the "New Industry,Save Tomorrow Trip".
G4,mobile company is run by some ex-politician from California with a name like Goldstein.You can Assume that G4 is what a Government is FOR.
G4 is buying kilo lots of what muck DYE has;at $250k/key.

ie when any Authority wants to work on solar power as per DYE's "Ya don't even need Sun" Tech
Which you have to admit leaves any other solar alternative in d'SHADE!

well,DYE don't seem to me as some Distant Mountain.
Dye is Beyond the FootHills,Folks.
to mix metaphors it's got a STRANGLE HOLD
that sees a piddling $2 fair value "call"?
as a
JOKE.

later...

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BUT I SEE what you DO"

Zelman Cowan 1970 Canetoad!

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Saturday, November 10, 2007 - 12:28 pm:

+++ positives for DYE being a small company

1] It's not competing with the BigBoys of Power.THEY who have the Grid Lock.
Origin for example is not Threatened by DYE.THEY don't have to simply buy/wipe out like say the hydrogen car innovations.
DYE is being "Heavily Backed" by an India Owned European Based Steel Manufacturer,Corus Steel.This took over British Steel and some Krupp equivalent and combined into Corus which is further a Subsidiary of some real big Conglomerate.

To be "Topical",Corus is going for a Huge Value Add Margin on the Dirt that BHP/RIO flogs.
CORUS is going to be able to supply steel that turns a building into it's very own generator.Steel painted with DYE muck used as a supplement/can't you see Carbon Credit Material to conventional,BigBoy Generated "stuff".

DYE just got the Italians on board to work on the Glass ie windows vertical up a high-rise and remember dye's muck can work in the shade.
The Ambition to be fulfilled is for say DYE coated sides,roof,the bloody windows will run,for example,Air Conditioning Requirements.

It's that Value Added Aspect to Industry like steel,glass
Look there's even talk of what COULD Happen if one coated the whole interior,the lot in muck;
like run d'fluros off it and you end up with a
Reality Perpetual Motion Machine.
Light shines on Muck.
Muck keeps Light Burning!!

....

"I hear WHAT you say,
BUT I SEE what you DO"

Zelman Cowan 1970 Canetoad!

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Saturday, November 10, 2007 - 01:19 pm:

Dug,

Since you are not a cut and paste fan, these two links are what I can find in the net. I can't get into dyesol website because I turned on my adblock, and I have no intention to un-adblock my browser, so, all I can get is a black screen (it seems they even "dyesol" their frontpage! :-)

)

http://tinyurl.com/27mb3c
http://tinyurl.com/2chqvy

1) What you have written thus far is pretty good but not convincing enough as an investment proposal. They lack one thing, which is crucial - NUMBERS!

You have to show everyone some numbers. And you have to show them the MONEY!

So this is it - no money no talk - the mantra of FA practitioners. Without that, there's no reward to talk about - this stock will remain a speculative high risk proposition.

2) From stock trading or a speculator's point of view - the TA take... as I see it, is posted above. I don't think it has changed.

3) Still this conclusion, after considering your posts above - the concept is good, the potential is great, but, FA is still too risky. TA is not very encouraging... until something new turning up, it's hard to make a case for this stock.

Cheers.

ps: I am sure you are not "falling in love" with this stock. Right?

HC

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Saturday, November 10, 2007 - 02:05 pm:

Here's a chart of my "foretelling" re DYE Share Price Potential.Substitute $2 for $5ish on price shown and possibly 3 years for 5.
Take for Comparison that Campbells has a similar Small Free Float in Shares Listed and assume that DYE's position in a Hot Sector is at least equal to CPB position.
Personally I think Solar is Hotter than Minerals Laboratory but..
well here's d'Picture

you're absolutely right,HC about share price action is our Only Interest.
Irrelevant that DYE is cutting edge business/industry wise,THE only reason to buy'n'hold it's shares is how it's share price GOes.
So the above chart illustrates how I reckon,why I'm keen.

As a Disclaimer can I say I hold 21k#,bought first from 94,last at 154 so I'm in the Money and have that bias.This is my Accumulate not Trade,
a Holding Probable Long Term Beauty perhaps that'll Hold thru all that Sky is Falling Sub Prime Mess you discourse on HC.
remember HC it's Chicken Little not Licken.
d'latter is a Porn Star

later...

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BUT I SEE what you DO"

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Saturday, November 10, 2007 - 02:21 pm:

Dug,

Don't look back. If I were to look back, I would be dead a thousand times! I can never forgive myself for the mistakes I have made all these while! :-)

Ok, it's Chicken Little for you, Chicken Licken for me. Look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_Licken, and here: http://fairytales4u.com/story/chicken.htm

Back to DYE and TA, now is not the time to buy or even accumulate assuming it really has potential. In fact, I have a greater worry on this one... Take care.

Dye Daily

HC

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Saturday, November 10, 2007 - 05:26 pm:

Don't look back,HC?
and then you put up one of your compressed charts,stick some words of warning about some "look back" passed Support Level while "scaring" d'pilgrims by illustrating it's gone up a lot so it's a "dead cert" to go back down again to 90cents and you throw in a moan about how ya made mistakes in d'Past.
Holy Cow I'm here to tell ya we're witnessing you Miss Taking right NOW!!

I say it's in Consolidation and there's nothing wrong with considering buying fresh'n'first at these prices.
There is another "sensible" alternative which is to await a $1.80 ish Break Out
but what one should not do is hangout for a 90cent retrace.If you can buy under $1.20/140 in the Future,you'll in all likelihood catch the Mythical Falling Knife.Buy under a Buck and you'll be doing d'Miss Sparks,Buying a Low Bound to Go Lower!

Now HC,I thought you and me were the Champions for intergrating TA'n'FA.In DYE the fundamentals should take precedence.The tricky bit is that DYE don't qualify for StarDoctor "diagnosis" so it's FA is more "mystical".

Holy Cow ya gotta banish from ya head all thoughts of BigBoy Manipulation as the Be All'n'End of your chart reading.
See in this chart-

that day marked Germans Fault,when the price rose can be connected to the publication in KrautWorld of this tip sheet translated as Penny Rockets.

NB how a penny stock in Europe is defined as being under 1Euro or at least A$2 in "real money".

HC,whereas in Oz the DayBoys are pretty much only into Minerals,the "Krauts" are Different.
They're not different in that they[d'germans]still borrow money to Play and thus are subjected to Margin Calls but HC DYE to them Europeans is a Real Worthy of Interest Stock.

and HC They[d'Germans] come to Oz Exchange to play as well as having their very own Bourse to point'n' figure over.

So HC what it all boils down to is
I concede it's not a time for me to Buy More.Just Hold what I got BUT that's not to say,I'm not urging/giving d'Nudge to Consider Buy DYE NOW or at least on a 180 break cos I reckon DYE is for d'MOON!

and I'll give further reasons,educate ya HC and others in the practice of Scholar in Ramping.
tomorrow.
cheers.

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BUT I SEE what you DO"

Zelman Cowan 1970 Canetoad!

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Saturday, November 10, 2007 - 07:41 pm:

dug,

have you noticed DYE has eight consecutive days of lower/even highs?

It certainly will be interesting to watch how it goes from here.

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Sunday, November 11, 2007 - 08:40 am:

Dug,

I hope you are right about this stock. I will stop at this point.

Cheers.

HC

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Sunday, November 11, 2007 - 10:29 am:

Holy Cow-thanks for giving me some points to bounce off.
I'm finding that by Holding this share,that many TA "truths/maxims" are challenged by the day to day news/action eg that big volume spike being an off market transfer that corresponded with a large option sale and then the early redemption of such options to provide DYE with another Million $'s cash flow.
thanks again for your input.

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ohk-yes equal/lower lows BUT mostly in candle tails not Close ie Bounces off sub 150 intraday consistently.
You have to realise that this is Three Times it's 9mthsish ago 50cent base.It's volatility earlier of going 120 and then falling back,let alone that year ago+ spike to $2 in a day followed by a fairly rapid return to 50 cents has "spooked" the pilgrims.
The "thin" market depth makes it difficult to either buy or sell a relatively small parcel of even 20k#.One has to jump up/down some multiple levels of Bid/Ask.A buyer/seller must exercise patience,wait for a day when a sufficient number appears actually available on the Depth to Go for.
On my daily Depth Checks,I often see large orders just off the line.On Buy side they are often "trumped"[larger price Bid]while on the Sell a move up to "capture" occurs[rather than ASK trumps].
It's all really boring but not worrying.
DYE is achieving it's technology,not just "gunner" like what sparked the one day $2 year ago.

With Dave d'Billionaire on board DYE is now even more tightly held even after the recent placement and 1.10 stock to every shareholder.
Do you know ohk that of all the world "green" shares on every exchange DYE has the best ROAR?
what's more this Dave d'Billionaire has come onto the Register of a number of "Greenies" at the same time as he did DYE.He seems to have switched from donating to Green Causes into taking Substantial Holdings in Green GOers.
The best conjecture/rumour,I've found,is Dave Gellbaum is going for setting up a Philanthropic Foundation of Green.He's only in his 50's so he's got time[hopefully].

Anyway,I'm playing Scenario Unfolding.TA and even FA are "secondary",only tools in my Long Term Plot.
cheers.

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BUT I SEE what you DO"

Zelman Cowan 1970 Canetoad!

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Sunday, November 11, 2007 - 12:48 pm:

Now this is Log Chart Weekly[trick] but can you really see this Yellow Line as a Downtrend,a signal to Act on?
IMV only if you were out looking for immediate gratification,doing d'Day Trip.

Happy trading.

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BUT I SEE what you DO"

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Monday, November 12, 2007 - 12:04 pm:

well lucky I'm not paranoid or I'd figure I'm being stalked by forces malevolent.

Happily after HC and ohk gave me d'Word,I calculated my average buyin price as under 130 so haven't been taken into loss today.
Did you notice the small parcel Selling?Seems to me the hit under 140 set off some Auto Stop Losses as well as brought the Buyers Out.I'm watching[wishin'n'hopin!]for a rebound back at least over 140 if not 50+.Otherwise I'll be sorely tempted to Buy MORE!

get back to watching developments.
cheers.

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BUT I SEE what you DO"

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Friday, November 16, 2007 - 05:40 pm:

Might have hit a the bottom Dug. Sitting on the 200ema

http://icwales.icnetwork.co.uk/business-in-wales/business-news/2007/11/14/termin ator-s-friend-stars-in-solar-revolution-91466-20103489/

Im led to believe these people are one of their biggest customers and have gone into production}}}

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Saturday, November 17, 2007 - 03:23 pm:

No "might" about it,Belinda[mums Real Name]
I'm figuring for DYE to at least return to it's Uptrend.
I'm optomistic that it could even GO 240.
A Such HOT Company-Sector/Socio politico Scenario wise
that over the last month of Consolidation has concistently announced that it's Angle is On d'GO.
Belinda,they finalised the MileStones for the Aust Defence Dept.
December- Corus Steel get's it's second LAST milestone confirmed and Belinda take my word DYE COULD Early Fulfill ALL of the Required Milestones for this Massive Global Steel COmpany.

and Belinda,I hope you've all ready taken a position in DYE
and I admit Belinda I hope that my drawing your attention to it for your consideration is a Truth.
ahhh mum it'd be/mean something like I was "worthwhile" had achieved my Reason for Posting in the First Place
but still ya shouldn't admit to taking tips off d'Net.

I have some Admiration/RESPECT for Rampers and their Ilk.I find though they just can't stay still.They twitch and switch,refuse to be pinned down,let alone assume Responsibility.....

CHART pre Mondays Open-I got 21k# averaged 127 on it and that's why I say DYE d'GO!!

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Monday, December 03, 2007 - 06:34 am:

I do have DYE on my watchlist as it’s a product with such huge potential, but my strictly T/A view is still somewhat negative – I hope I’m wrong for all that hold.

I’ll look more closely at the $1.20 level – strong S/R level as Dug noted above, it was also a resistance level early in 2006. If it looks like turning around there, I’ll consider buying again.

Trouble is, I see it still as toppy, a messy h&s or M formation. The RH turquoise line shows the potential target, which would also close that gap back in April (yes, I still focus on gaps.... most of them do tend to fill over time). 80c was also a resistance level back in March, and in Aug and Oct last year.

The big positive is that the fall has been on small volume and some good news could send it on its way again.

Elisabeth

DYEdly

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Monday, December 03, 2007 - 07:32 am:

Set-Up for a capitulation to the Down ?
needs to come back and take out the 1.70 level in the next up move ?

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(Message edited by coyotte on December 03, 2007)

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Monday, December 03, 2007 - 12:28 pm:

Elizabeth-Do you have an alternative Buy Price if this is the Bottom and it goes UP from here?
Say a Break Out Price instead of only your 120ish Target?
or will you let it get away from you because your "cautious" method is to try and Bottom Pick?

There are Announcements due this month,December.There is great possibilities of Left Field/Unanticipated Announcements as well but the Expected One is re Corus Steel Milestone Reaching.
Now,elizabeth,it's my belief,like I won't be too surprised, that this Corus Announcement is that DYE has jumped the Milestones to Completely Fulfil it's "Testing" for Corus EARLY.There's only one more to go,Timetable was fulfilment by March 08 and I figure that DYE has it completely covered in Capacity to Early Fulfil.

coyotte/elizabeth It's Different with DYE!!

Even 'til Jaded.

Dig for the sake of it.

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Monday, December 03, 2007 - 01:19 pm:

Whats different Dug ?
it's making classic 2 to 3 day counter moves in a down trend .
only saving grace is as Liz put it the " relevantly Low Vol".

The "Sea of Uncertainty" is defeated by the nimble vessel "Probability", not the unwieldy vessel "Prediction".

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Monday, December 03, 2007 - 07:42 pm:

Hi Dug,

Apologies, my data is not available until later so the chart is still as of Friday – from price action today, looks like a nice hammer formed – a favourite bottoming candle.

I am most certainly guilty of trying to bottom pick – regularly! I am also very often guilty of letting them get away!

Where would I buy a reversal? I find that very challenging in the current climate of uncertainty – I’ve seen too many failed breaks/reversals recently. And right here on DYE is a potential failed break below the 200 day MA.

If price does reverse from here, I’ve put my potential buy on the chart, however, also on the chart is the reason I probably would not take that trade.

On the other hand, though, Dug, because of the nature of their product, this one will probably go on news as you say, and shoot right through any resistance. For those who hold, I do hope so, for me, it will be just one more that left me behind.

Elisabeth

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Sunday, December 30, 2007 - 06:44 pm:

DYE is either at 50%

dyewkly1

or 62% retracement depending on whether you include the spike or not??? Can anyone enlighten me as to which is right?

dyewkly2

Price is flirting with the 200MA on the daily – let’s hope it moves back to the upper side.

DYEdly

1.20 is the important support – if it breaks strongly below that, it could go all the way to close the gap between 82.5 and 86c back in April (see charts above). (Sorry Dug, I know I harp on gaps but the philosophy is that most gaps get filled eventually.)

On the positive side, the weekend visible market depth (x10 price levels) looks better on the buy side with 8 buyers for $127,000 worth of shares at $1.25 and no big sellers in the visible depth up to 1.365

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Sunday, December 30, 2007 - 10:45 pm:

elizabeth :

Free Fib book.
if it will not open then the answer to you question would generally be your Chart No. 2 --- ie: The Swing Low to the Swing High (SPIKES INCLUDED ) .

fib.pdf (404.3 k)

hope it is of some help.

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Sunday, December 30, 2007 - 11:01 pm:

The "Sea of Uncertainty" is defeated by the nimble vessel "Probability", not the unwieldy vessel "Prediction".

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Monday, December 31, 2007 - 04:44 am:

Coyotte, thank you :-)

Some good examples in there.

Elisabeth

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Monday, December 31, 2007 - 04:59 am:

Coyotte, DYE - very interesting about creeping trends. I've been drawing Darvis type boxes on my chart as price has moved down, but not taken note of the Hs taking out the Ls. Watching with great interest as always!

Elisabeth

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Monday, December 31, 2007 - 07:48 am:

As a point of interest on Creeping trends :

Something I overlooked initially on the PRW Chart.

The Low of 13-11-07 was not taken out by the High of 14-12-07
The result speaks for it's self.

Note : ( as i understand McLaren) the Low of 20-11-07 is of minor importance as it did not lead to a counter tread high .

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The "Sea of Uncertainty" is defeated by the nimble vessel "Probability", not the unwieldy vessel "Prediction".

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Monday, December 31, 2007 - 10:48 am:

Re Fib- It's a pity we don't know the VWAP of the 240 Spike Day.That'd give a more math/science point to run the Fibs from.
However you know my "scorn" for Fibbionnacci[however it's spelt]in that it is the Maths Insight gained from Vegetables/the "Natural World" and is HOKUM[IMHO]when applied to the Chaos of the Market.
VWAP on the other hand we KNOW is the basis of Professional Programmes.

Dave Gellbaum,d'Billionaire on the DYE register has his 16%+ Substantial Holding in DYE at an Average Cost of approx $1.60.Now he's a Billionare and I suspect is unworried by the DYE retrace to these levels
neither am I considering
a]There's NO other Solar Company listed on the ASX anywhere Comparable to DYE.
2]Any and All others rely on Gov't Handouts now and in the Future to get anywhere at all while DYE has just completed Milestones considered to be the most Technically Difficult Stage in Applying DYE's "Muck" commercially to Roofing STEEL for Commercial Application by one of the Worlds Largest Steel Companies[Corus].
3]IMV Dye is "suffering" by not being some 10/30 cent Green Company that pilgrims can get a better Leverage Angle/Diddle going in.
Such "players' should BUY Phoslock!!

I could go on'n'on but I'm just glad I got DYESOL as my one year play in the LT Contest.I figure it'll thrash BHP in an Annual Return,just hope I'm around to Watch it.

cheers.

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Monday, December 31, 2007 - 12:07 pm:

Dug
it's nothing to do with what U, I, or anyone thinks of Fib No.s -- it's the relative weight of Traders in a stock who do use them that matters .

Cheers.

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Monday, December 31, 2007 - 12:57 pm:

There is a nice following of the DYE price action here, and perhaps the price action is not too far off changing ~ after a bit of consolidation music (since august). The share price may still hit the 61% fib (on a fake out) but the tables are starting to turn IMO. The MACD and Momentum are just below zero & I guess when they pop the 200D_SMA will be beaten as well, and then the share price is likely to bounce higher ~ simply a matter of timing. It is like reading a complex novel and it don't always turn out the way one thinks...

Do I detect a slight prejudice against FIBs dug? ~ I trust your list of prejudices is getting smaller than longer your teeth get, as one has trouble performing in life if you got too many of them (they are a waste of space IMO) ~ however you are welcome to it if they/it makes you happier dug.

Chart for them interested:

die

not buying in yet but checking the breeze

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Monday, December 31, 2007 - 02:44 pm:

coyotte- Yes,it's a Fact that some are "devoted" to the Fib figures and come into Watch when the various levels MAY be hit.
I haven't yet opened your E Book on Setting the Points for establishing Levels but I bet they are still open for Debate amongst d'Devotees.Subject to change with Hindsight.

Coyotte and Tryhay I think Fib Numbers are part of the Arsenal used by those Quasi-Religious "Traders".
Those who follow the Yank Methods based on "Being in the ZONE",Californian ClapTrap from They who KNOW L s d not only as a Currency.
You read much of these "Clowns",coy/try?
Mystical/Magical Exploration of Esoterics in bleeding Share Trading.
Drag out and Dust Off every ancient belief and Found Truth and wrap it up all over again and apply such to Share Trading.
Self Help they call it but it all just helps OneSelf to Sell Books and give "colour" if not Justification to Day/Weak Traders and other mere Arbitrageurs.

Anyway,tryhay I nurture my Prejudices.I worked to disperse a Coven of the Children of God Cult in the 70's.Suppose it was Destructive in their eyes but it was Real Fun in mine,
a Creation of Freed Minds.
What better Work/Mission is there than that?

Anyhow,Off for New Years Eve.
cheers.

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Friday, January 11, 2008 - 02:23 pm:

A Rounded Top,Short Term in a Downtrend.
Forwarned is For Armed,hey?

Announcement today alludes to Why I still Hold.Besides if I'd sold earlier?Could well have lost just as much in other plays.Seems months now I ain't been able to get a Good Ride.Observation of the Weekly Comp winner results confirms it just ain't me.
DYE in a Year to Thrash BHP!!

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Friday, February 08, 2008 - 02:15 pm:

Dye's is on d'GO!! 20% up today and the Run to about $1.60 is d'REIDing of d'Cards.
Yeah I don't break even til 129 but what the heck it's Heartening. I can paint the house as a 25th Wedding Anniversary present to the Bride!![it's a brick house so it won't cost that much but better than buying some silver doodad.BTW Pilgrims Silver Antiques aren't that crash hot investment wise]

Anyhow DYE is THE GO.Forget Materials and bleeding BHP this DYE is a Emerging STAR,don't wait for d'Doctor to confirm it some Years from now that it's Hot.
Get it while it's just warming UP.

but of course,DYOR.

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Friday, February 08, 2008 - 02:54 pm:

Why's it happening?Like there's No news Announcement?It's just some temporary flutter in the share price causing some Screaming Ramp by one who is by repute,branded as a Complete Dead Fecal Matter by the Great Ones,you know d'BigBoy Tradering Officiers and Gentleman.

well,pilgrims d'Word is that G24i has shipped it's new Solar Telephones out that work from Solar Power delivered by SOLELY DYE's Muck.
This means that this Billion POUNDS UK company will be ordering some more KILOS and DYE sells at a Qtr Million A$$$$ a kilo.
it's called establishing significant Cash Flow,pilgrims
but don't forget what mummy told ya about taking free advice as Gospel.

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Sunday, February 24, 2008 - 11:41 am:

DYE chart looking good, Dug – I would have liked that triangle trade but missed out. Easy in hindsight, but the volume increase mid Jan was a clue for a low priced entry into this stock.

Now watching to see if it forms a continuation pattern at this level, or perhaps between this and 1.40, which is 38.2% fib level - 1.38 was a resistance level in Jun/Jul last year.

There's supply to the left between 1.26 and 1.40, so some consolidation is likely.

Elisabeth

DYEdly

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Sunday, February 24, 2008 - 12:35 pm:

Elizabeth,
That 138 resistance June/July 07 was caused by a large single ASK that was on that level for a few weeks.It subsequently got Bought so it wasn't some "capping ploy" etc just someone actually wanting to Sell who eventually got filled only to see DYE hit $2 afterwards.
So I'd take this FACT into account in Chart Reading ie not be so sure that's a past resistance line.

There was a 25,000# Short in place this week that is now closed.
There was a 20%+ profit going on a short term trade from 105.
There was an unusual Gap Opening on Thursday 120 to 130 on 100k# Volume first up,elisabeth.This was NOT in response to German Night Trading.Germany is quiet,low volume,following Aust price Levels not setting the pace.

I'm seeing Accumulation at rising VWAP prices,elisabeth.
I don't think retail pilgrims are involved in DYE's price action too much at the moment.
There's Algorithmic/Algae Buying consistently over Weeks,elisabeth.
March is the start date for factory building to Vastly Increase Production and Cash Flow.
Three Major Conferences in Japan,Egypt and Melbourne are coming up for DYE to "strut their muck".
World renowned Billionaires have recently conferenced to gather Billion$ of Capital for Alternative Energy in Dubai and the US.

Elisabeth,DYOR by all means but don't dilly dally round thinking you've got all the time in the world to get some Dyesol.
You get up to go to your Day Job much too early.It shouldn't worry you entering DYE a bit early and I really hope you aren't still hanging about waiting for some sub-90 cent gap to be filled.

Did I mention in all those above posts about my reckonings on any future Placements like the 110 one awhile back?
If not? Then the next Capital Raising,IF NEEDED,will be by proportion to holdings not anyone/everyone gets $5grands worth.This will stop the chancer pilgrims from buying $500 worth so they can participate.Do you follow,elisabeth?

BTW DYE has $10mil+ in the Bank NOW so it already has finance for Production Increase of Kilo lots of DYE "muck" at a qtr mil $ a throw.So it may NEVER need to raise Capital from the Market and be able to keep it's Share Register TIGHT like it is now.

ohh elisabeth,don't let me ramp you into a share,now hey?

regards.

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Monday, February 25, 2008 - 06:29 pm:

Hi Dug, I absolutely follow. And ramp away – I admire your passion for, belief in, and knowledge about this stock and enjoy reading all you write about it.

My risk ratio must be 1:3 for me to enter. At the price offered when I was looking to buy, though close, I couldn’t get it to 3. If I’ve missed it, so be it, I have to go with my guidelines.

If I do buy, I’ll let you know!

Regards
Elisabeth

PS - would you happen to know how they will market the product - panels made to order or a standard range of panels? I guess ease/speed of shipping will facilitate quicker payment with money back in the coffers further reducing the need for placement? Or are orders placed for specific parameters, which then need to be made?

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Monday, February 25, 2008 - 07:01 pm:

Ohhhh elisabeth,
The ultimate "trick" with Dye is THEY provide the MEANS for Production.
DYE doesn't make END PRODUCT.It's don't have STOCK.It provides the "MUCK" that others make.
Ohhhh elisabeth[NB I spell it correct

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Elisabeth they make the "muck" that Others WORK with.
It's all in IPR.{ Intellectual Property Rights}

Now elisabeth my WHOLE credibility/my FORTUNE runs on my pick of DYE.
High Hopes.
do ya follow?
I can try and FA d'DYE til d'Cows come home.
Do ya follow,elisabeth?
buut oh BUT if ya can take in youngsters,cutting edge,up2date Bloody Lafee's Babble about a BLACK SWAN?

well.DYE is just staring ya in d'FACE!!!

yeah,elisa,it closed kinda another Gap today but don't be too Clever by Half!!
know what I'm sayin'?
probably not.
d'Dug is tooooo Heavy,hey?

I tell yers by End of Year ? DYE will thrash THRASH Bhp,d'choice of d'BORING!!

Happy Trading.

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Monday, February 25, 2008 - 07:21 pm:

Aha - the muck - it makes sense now!

Surprise, surprise, Dug, I'm ignoring that gap from the other week. For the time being.... You've gotta look at the gaps on the last ascent which have now been filled. So I'm not saying never will that gap be filled. But there's definitely a journey on now - looks too far progressed to go back and gap fill now. A true breakaway gap. (Writing without a chart at hand - time for family now so I must sign off - I'm following closely, Dug, and I'm a bit cranky I missed the move!)

Happy day tomorrow.
Elisabeth

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Monday, March 03, 2008 - 06:36 pm:

Hi Dug,

Having declared myself a bear over the weekend, I bought into DYE at 1.21 today – go figure!

Small volume today, but the chart was saved by one $56 trade at 4:10 – raising price by 8c – what a mighty market mover!

One of those uh oh, what have I done trades (the order was in from last week and I was at work). I won’t be able to look at the chart until tomorrow – it’s traced a hammer of course, but it was that tiny $56 which saved it from being a nasty black candle.....

dye course

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Tuesday, March 04, 2008 - 12:27 pm:

welcome to d'DyeHards,elisabeth.
There's been consistent Algae Trading for weeks recently in DYE as it goes off the Retail Buyers radar while Resources take centre stage as the Only Thing.
There's news on the way re DYE and that will centre on further Sales to G24i [the modern solar powered phone mob for Africa]Such sales are not published in News on the Order but will figure in the next April Qtrly Cash Flow Report[Dec-Mar]

Keep an eye on the November Exercise Options,elisabeth [DYEO]these are 20cents exercise and are currently Trading UNDER the share price.
I've got an angle on the reaso WHY? this is happening but I'll tell you about such some other time.
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Tuesday, March 11, 2008 - 02:13 pm:

Hope you're not doing Auto Stops,elisabeth so you got shaken out today.
The midday news Announce shows DYE production all on course to start in May 08.I'm trying to get info on G24i that are already using DYE muck in producing small appliances.
At the moment G24i is doing solar/dye battery rechargers for Mobile Phones.
This ain't some fad,gimmick,elisabeth.These are mobile phones for those parts of the World without reliable power grids.Currently G24i is doing Africa,elisabeth and best of all,G24i is dedicated to bringing new technology cheap to the third world.

It's all happening,elisabeth.Try and just Buy and Hold thru the turbulent Market at the Moment.Something other than boring dirt explorers is for Take OFF.Stay on DYE.
See CFU chart.One morning DYE will do 80%+ on News too.

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Saturday, March 15, 2008 - 12:32 pm:

Interesting Development-
Yesterday Algae/Small Parcel Buying hit both the Shares AND Options.The Options price has been selling BELOW the share price for some weeks recently.Example- The Shares are being sold for 120 while Largish Parcels of Options are being sold "effectively" for 105 all up.[Options are exercisable by Nov 2008 for 20 cents so 105 is the all up price ie they sell for 85]

Anyhow,I found this percentage divergence between Share Price and Option Price quite unusual.It was effectively driving down the Share Price because one could buy in Bulk for Cheaper by the Options.

So eventually the Share Price was driven down to the Option Exercise Price,yesterday and what happens?
BigBoy Algae is all over both shares and options.The Volume in each was fairly similar too.

What it all mean,jr?

Well for starters the Options can only be being sold by Big Holders.Top 20ers and there's on the DYE register a "candidate" for being a Big Seller.

This boffin bloke called Graetzel who invented and then sold the patents for DYE muck some years ago in a retain half interest/paid in shares deal.
Now Graetzel is a real big time Boffin like one of the 100 most brilliant scientific minds on the Planet sorta Famous.Like Graetzel is in line for the Nobel Prize or some danged equivalent of Olympic Gold Medal.

I could rabbit on but well,this Graetzel is a Candidate for Being Seller of a million or so options over the last few weeks.

Now one reads in Books for the Beginner Share Dealer that Management Sells are an indicator of Trouble but such books are surface skimmers.Take no account of Boffin MindSet especially of prospective Nobel Prize getters.

yeah,it's Different with DYE,at least to this pilgrim.
I'll continue digging in to this...
later.

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Saturday, March 15, 2008 - 12:56 pm:

Chart attempting to show the differential Share Price: Option.
Remember that a further 20 cents needs to be paid in NOV 08 on the Options but the Option price usually equals or exceeds the Share Price by this factor[ie adding 20cents]

Also there was little or no trading much at all prior to mid-Feb in Options.

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Sunday, March 16, 2008 - 01:12 pm:

Here's a link to DYE's biggest Substantial Holder[other than Management] Dave Gelbaum.It lists all his Investments in Green Orientated Shares incl DYE.Note it also has a column for Commitments to further Purchases with DYE listed as another 4 mil+ shares to 19.6+%.

Personally I'm hoping that the current finnangling is NOT Dave d'Billionaire increasing his holding but some Other Fund coming on board as a Substantial Holder.

The Link:-
http://www.unenergy.org/index.php?p=1_66_Quercus-Trust-Investments

If the link doesn't work?
Google Quercus Trust/Second Page 4 down/Unenergy.org link.

Overseas there's lots of Progressing Green Companies.In Australia I say the best are DYE and CFU.All other Green Oz companies have some "flaws" IMHO.
Recently news articles came out 'Flagging" a lot of New Listings in Green-Type Shares this/next year in Australia.It was pointed out that a lot of these new IPO's were to be BandWagon Jumpers,sheerly tale spinners.
Example-Qld Football "Stars" were going to float a company selling Solar Powered Umbrellas to Cafe's etc so d'Coffee Set could recharge their ipod batteries etc at the table.
Gimmicks,pilgrims are not good investments.

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Sunday, March 16, 2008 - 05:41 pm:

Dug, as usual, very interesting perspectives – we’ll have to wait for a subst change notice to find out who is buying. I’ve bookmarked the link to Quercus for further reading – Forms of alternate power there I’ve not heard of.

From my charts:

I might have mentioned gaps somewhere before, Dug..... I’m cranky at myself as I wanted to enter around that gap fill but lost the plot! And now there is another gap that has the potential to be filled, now or in the dizzy future.

I’ve not sold yet – I’m encouraged by the bottom tails on daily & weekly charts – lower prices are being rejected, smaller volume on down days, weekly TMF showing accumulation, and of course I have huge faith in the DYE product.

The overall market sentiment is playing its part in all of this also.

Happy week

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Thursday, April 17, 2008 - 04:13 pm:

Still hanging in there,elisabeth?
Been doing some annoying emails to the Company recently and got replied to by Sylvia,her very self.
I won't go over the Opes/Tricom bit here again other than to point out that a Founding DYE Director is some head honcho at blessed Tricom and that's mainly why/how we got caught up in the Mess.
The main bit of New News is the Option Sell Off.Some founding major shareholder called BlackMort[Black Death,catchy name hey?]Anyhow this BlackMort is the culprit in the Option Disposal at bargain prices.
If you google BlackMort you'll find it's a major shareholder in a whole range of Companies Public and Private.Seems it's into Venture Capitalism or some dang fancy thing.
Now our Sylvia hasn't heard from BlackMort for donkeys' years and she's heard they're relocating overseas[probably some sleazy tax shelter type dodge]Anyway,they got some 1.5 mil options paying tops 20cents so they're in the money even by depressing the price.
So if you wanted to top up,elisabeth,in DYE consider buying the Options[DYEO].They require another 20cent payment in November 2008 but they are nearly always offered at less than Paid Up price compared to the current SP and best of all you can buy quite large Number Parcels in Options compared to hitting the ASK levels on the Share.

Any questions?
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Saturday, April 26, 2008 - 04:32 pm:

G’day Dug

I’ve been having a bit of a look at DYE.

The story as you have outlined in this thread looks pretty good for them.

There’s some research by Pegasus on the DYE website. Based on their numbers Dye will be earning 9.85 cps for 2010/11. This is based on full capacity from current production expansion.

A quick calc looks as though their ROE in 2010/11 will be around 26.5%. If this is sustainable, with all earnings reinvested and not much capital required for maintenance of the business then a PE in the mid 20’s sounds reasonable.

So a rough fair price projection for three years time is about $2.50. Current price around $1.00 so a potential 35% pa return over the forecast period.

This looks to be a good “story” and currently at reasonable value, but with so many forecasting risks it’s not enough to compel me, to fight the market. So a little hand sitting for me, while trends from two different time frames fight it out.

dye

So, some more digging time while the TA sorts itself out. Time to answer questions on how capital-intensive is production going to be. Is 26% a reasonable ROE long term. What IP have they got to defend/sustain this sort of return? Is there potential to increase ROE with scale? How capable are management to realise the potential. What’s the potential impact from competition of existing or new technology blah blah blah.

Cheers

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Saturday, April 26, 2008 - 06:23 pm:

resillent1 wrote on Saturday, April 26, 2008 - 03:32 pm:
quick calc looks as though their ROE in 2010/11 will be around 26.5%. If this is sustainable, with all earnings reinvested and not much capital required for maintenance of the business then a PE in the mid 20’s sounds reasonable.

So a rough fair price projection for three years time is about $2.50. Current price around $1.00 so a potential 35% pa return over the forecast period

well,resillient 1 I'm not into this palaver re ROE and "conservative" likely Earnings projections.See I hold cos this DYE could be at $2.50 Next Bleeding WEEK!!

Now the Pegasus Report[which I've never read]is Company Generated or at least the Report was compiled by Holders of the Share.There's some kinda Disclaimer Thingo to that effect down amongst d'small print

Here's a thumbnail POV on DYE Prospects etc.I'm feeling a bit cavalier so feel free to ask for further illumination.

Current Sales for the coming Qtr-
G24i,it's some BIG mob based in Wales flogging Flexible Solar Dye Based Panels to power Mobile phones and developing into such panels for Ipods etc small,currently battery powered gizmos.BUT G24i is doing these Solar Powered instead of Grid Back Up so Africa,India,China bleeding ARTIC is their market not just Fadding to d'West.

Google G24i,resil and even though all their publicity doesn't mention Dyesol realise That's WHAT they're using.Do a Gog on G24i+BASF and you'll find how d'Proper Company BigBoy BASF of Germany is involved in enhancing the Volt Rate whatever out of DYE's Product.Not replacing DYE's Product ENHANCING it.

Now DYE has a stranglehold on DYE type technology.They [DYE] have Rights in Perpetuity to this Wizard Boffins Discovery of "Unnatural" Photosynthesis,man made chemical "Muck" that mimics photosynthesis.Chiefly this Muck allows Solar Power Generation in Low Light Conditions like it still churns out power even in the Shade let alone in God Sunshine Forsaken Places a la EUROPE.

I suppose you can tell I'm getting a bit "heated" right about now but to end
DYE as a share is faaaaar Superior to Hold than any crummy Bio TecH/Medical BreakThru Cure4Cancer Gunner DO.
DYE has CASH FLOW and a rapidly rising Proof of the Muck Works and is DESIRABLE.
Currently the Share Price is Depressed for Fancy Financial Fiddagling.
I strongly suggest one should BUY NOW at least a Starting Position for Future Pyramiding On.
but Feel Free.remember what ya Bank Manager said about Advice from Strangers and I gotta be one of d'Strangest!!
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Saturday, April 26, 2008 - 06:52 pm:

Dug, apologies, I missed your earlier post on DYE. Great that Sylvia responded to your emails - it all sounds VERY complicated.

I’m still hanging in there – you know I believe in the product – I also find the T/A quite encouraging. Could form a W bottom. I do think that gap will close first though (sounding like a broken record on those gaps eh, Dug

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Resillent, I like your longer term chart – I think crunch time for that strong downtrend line will be at around $1.10, which is right where there have been big sell orders since the beginning of last week. At the moment there are $111,100 worth on sale at that price.

I‘ll consider top up pending a nice break of the trendline.

Elisabeth

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Sunday, April 27, 2008 - 11:20 am:

resillent1 wrote on Saturday, April 26, 2008 - 03:32 pm:
What’s the potential impact from competition of existing or new technology blah blah blah.

Here is what Sylvia told me about the "Competition" along with some of my own comments.
Searching in this Setor,you'll find that DYE is called Third Generation.
First is Silicon,Hard Panels,Hot Water System douvers on the Roof that you see every day.
These are now being "Modernised" into those Solar Farm Things they gush about sometimes on TV.These Solar Farms require Full Sunlight all day so that's why their "innovation" is in being able to adjust panel angles mechanically etc.

Second Generation is more Flexible Panels,Thin "Film" sort of like Window Tinting stuff.
This is promoted as CIGS and I think the Google Inventors have their money in this[but that may be wrong]Anyway,Sylvia says that the difficulty with CIGS tech is that it is based on Indium,some rare earth in very short supply.
It[CIGS] is also not as effective in 'Variable,Lower Light conditions" as DYE is.
However when you go looking for Competition,you'll get all this Flak about bleeding CIGS is going to wipe the floor with DYE etc etc blah.You can't buy a share in CIGS companies though at least on the ASX so to me,it's all boffin babble by Science Types.

So THIRD Generation is DYE.The Photosynthesis method based on Titanium Dye "Muck".Titanium is in Sunscreen Lotion so it's not rare[like Indium].
I think it has aspects of Perpetual Motion Machine in that because it is effective,the most effective in low light it can "work" even off Fluro Lights so If it generates Fluro Power and then picks up the Fluro Output well,it's perpetual do ya follow?
It seems DYE muck is AS Effective in Harsh,Tropical Sunlight as CIGS but that's not confirmed as definite from my "research".There was something said to that effect at some Cairo Conference recently but look it up yaself.

Also DYE "Muck" seems to have less difficulty being applied on to various Surfaces,eg Cloth,Steel,Glass and what's more is suited to coating in Mass Production as well as Staying Stuck and Working for years.

Now when you research the DYE system of PhotoVoltanics you'll come across some Yank Mob called Konarka that touts itself as some God's Gift Leader in this Field.You'll find articles on the Web touting that their Technology is just about to hit the Market and is gunner be Huge[ie DYE's too late]
Now Konarka used to be licensed by this Michael Graetzel bloke to use his Discoveries only in the development of Plastic Solar Panels.DYE on the other hand bought out/merged with Graetzel and has the Patents of all Patents now and in the future "in perpetuity" to ANY and ALL Graetzel's work.
Geez this is turning into WAr'n'Peace!!

Anyhow,this Konarka mob SOLD their DYE Based License to G24i so G24i could use the Technology that WORKS while Konarka went into the same field but has to AVOID using any patented Dye Stuff and ideas.
Konarka's "rubbish" is called Polymer PhotoVoltanics and according to our Sylvia is Highly Unstable and can't even have Volt Output consistently measured even under Lab Conditions and is Years off proving itself ie in my words it's Rubbish and even though it's Yank it's NOWHERE!!

Anyhow,Sylvia also stated that Research using DYE Superior Muck is also being carried out by the BIG Three SSS-Sony,Sharp and Samsung in Research Projects.

DYE also have of course Corus doing Muck on Steel as well as other companies being lined up for Muck on Cloth for Defence Use and Muck on Glass seems to be currently shaping as an In House Dye project.

One ultimate Aim is to have Buildings of Steel Glass Plastics and Cloth generating In House their own bleeding Power Requirements and such a Prototype house is shaping up to be built MAYBE quite soon.Carbon Neutral as required by the EU by at least 20bleeding 20!

That's why BigBoys like BP Solar are wheasling around for the Government to Subsidise their Garbage First Generation "Stuff" so they can Clear the Stuff out before DYE annilhates them!!
but that's another story.
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Sunday, April 27, 2008 - 01:14 pm:

Howdy Dug

Now to get things really clear, I’m not bagging the Muck. I’m having a serious look at it and so far it's ticking the preliminary boxes.

The $2.50 guestimate from the Pegasus info for 2010/11 was not aimed at running the prospects of the stock down. More Just a high level check to see if were talking rampant start-up speculation or a possible future investment grade business.

I don’t doubt that the SP could go nuts in the short term if the crowd jumps on the story, but that’s not my angle and not what I’m gunning for. I like holding high growth business for long periods, which let me do what I do best– Nothing.

Can Dye move from a good concept to a good business – that’s what I’m interested in, and what will drive an investment decision.

As Elisabeth said, the chart price looks real interesting at the moment, I’m very tempted to grab a few just to see how they feel. That’s not a bad looking basing formation right near the longer-term lower channel. I’m having to rely upon my amply reserves of laziness not to get too enthusiastic at the moment.

Thanks for the info you are providing, especially on the IP – I appreciate your legwork.

After talking to the management, do they strike you as the sort that could run a mass scale business or more like the, develop it up and sell it on type?

My little one’s favourite joke at the moment is: “What do you call a man with a spade? – Dug”

Keep digging, dug!

Cheers

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Sunday, April 27, 2008 - 02:06 pm:

Was just going to Close Down for the day when your reply came thru,resillient.I'm off line next week from Tuesday and won't be around my computer even up to then.
But I want you to seriously consider buying some DYE this week so I'll give you some more Gist/Dirt on DYE management/takeover etc like you've asked.

This Graetzel bloke is IN DYE.All his past work and future discoveries patents etc is DYE's to hold in Perpetuity.Michael Graetzel is a Top 100 World Boffin.Over at Warm Pig[HC] we Dyehards call him the Edison of Solar and I see the PR on DYE calls Gavin Tulloch the Father of DSC [dye technology]
Now the Game is,resillient that Any Damn Wortwhile Thing discovered in ANY University/Lab worth Patenting is owned by DYE.Nothing can be patented using this Technology angle because it has to be Using DYE muck.Is that Intellectual Property enough for ya to follow?

DYE is in the Business of providing the Ingredient Required by others to "exploit" the Product Making by BigBoys like Sony,G24i etc blah.DYE does NOT have Inventory,Stock on Hand Tied Up Cash Assets that's the province of BIG BOYS,an expense they carry.

Now in my above posts I mention that DYE muck sells for a Qtr million Buck$.That's WRONG it sells for about $16grand/kilo and from what I've read a Kilo provides very inexpensive power output but that's something I'm vague about.

One Thing you have to get Into about DYE and it's use by say G24i is that it is not some Elitist Fad Contraption.Like G24i is NOT putting out power 'douvers" for Yuppie TOYS.No it's pricing it's products to penetrate the Third World Markets,it's in the Business of being that InExpensive.Resillient it's Ethical.As backup I can point out that Corus is related to TATA Steel and Tata has a SideLine in Producing under $3,000 Cars for India etc.No misprint 3 Three Grand Cars.

Anyhow,d'wife is bleating from not getting attention.

The Tullochs and Graetzel are in for the Long Term.DYE can't be Taken Over unless the predator wants to take on every Lab Boffin as well as the Tullochs.I don't think this is Develop the Tech.Flog it to the Big Bidder Set-Up.
The business is nicely niched to give a Life and Fame to the Scientist Inventors.I think this is Life's Work Business like they don't want to retire at 50 to the Caribbean or Surfers Paradise.

Anyhow,gotta go.This is all a bit too rambling rave.DYE's Share Price is currently "artifically" depressed.It's hoped that the ANZ scam will be resolved by a Bulk Transfer soon.
BTW if you look at the DYE Top20 Substantial Holders List the Top#1 ANZ Nominees is the German Dual List Component of the Shares on Issue NOT/NIX anydanged thing to do with blessed Opes/Tricom etc blah ANZ rip off.

and,well Get On to It yaself cos I gotta go.
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Sunday, April 27, 2008 - 05:18 pm:

Dug

I’m finding some stuff that is diminishing my enthusiasm for DYE.

The real value as I see it, lies in the DSC patents, which are held by the Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne (EPFL). EPFL is the academic institution at which Dr Michael Graetzel developed the Dye Solar Cell (DSC) process in 1991.

Dyesol holds a “pioneer License” from EPFL, but there are at least 7 others pioneer license out there plus other status licenses issued by EPFL.

Dyesol's patent protection is based around the commercial manufacture process. This is some protection but mainly only a time delay as any of the other license holders can develop their own production processes. If DSC applications take off you can bet that big players will acquire these licenses and come in hard.

So at the end of the day, if DSC applications take off, EPFL are an undeniable winner. DYE could do o.k. as they have the advantage of first commercialization but ultimately they will have to become the lowest cost producer to prosper long term as their IP does not offer significant and lasting protection.

I don’t see too much that inspires me to think, these boffins are going to become great cutthroat low cost chemical manufacturers. All the same, they may have a spot in the sun for a while if DSC applications take off and they in turn look pretty promising. Also having Proffesor Graetzel (owns 250k shares) appointed as Chairman of DYE’s Technology board, offers the potential of unexpected positives.

Dug, you may do very well out this company, but for speculative companies I’m really after IP rights more at the level that EPFL has in this case. I intend to keep an eye on DYE But I won’t be rushing in.

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Sunday, April 27, 2008 - 05:44 pm:

Geez just went thru the whole thread and I really go on about DYE,hey?
Anyway some summary/chat on the actual share price and Market Situation.
DYE has approx 110mil shares on Issue with another 10mil being added in November by Option Expiry.The Tullochs own about 20% now [after having 2.5mil ripped off by Opes]and have significant proportion of the Options to top themselves up with in November and the Future.

The other significant Substantial Holder is Dave Gelbaum aka Dave d'Billionaire.I have a Link above recently setting out Dave's Holdings in various Green Companies.
The point as I see it with our Dave d'Billionaire is whether he's going to maintain his 16% or allow it to be Diluted by eg the Option Expiry.Together with this is Dave going to Increase his Holding to 20%?

Now as far as I know Dave doesn't hold any Options.
However if he did?well he wouldn't have to declare them as Substantial Change until they were exercised.
So Dave d'Billionaire is a likely pilgrim for hoovering up Blackmort's Option OverHang [discussed 2/3 posts ago]
BUT if he doesn't go Options he's up for buying at least 1.6 mil of Shares to prevent Dilution as well as some 4.5mil of shares if he wants to go to 20%.
Dave's in sweet with the Californian ex-Politician involved in G24i.At least they're 'chummy" and Dave is a bit of a recluse by all reports.

Anyway,IF Dave gets 20% I think there is No Way for DYE to get Taken Over without his "consent".20% is a Blocking Stake and usually gets the Holder a Seat on the Board.Dave and/or his brother are already sitting on Green Enterprise Boards.

Now Dave buying on Market got DYE to $2.40 ish just recently.Dave just waded in and BOUGHT,see the string of Substantial Holder Notices.I calculate his 16% stake has a ~ $1.60 average price.
The Tulloch's Stake,Dave's bit,Graetzel's Chunk and the other Directors' Holdings have DYE at least 50% Held "Solid" like Tight.
DYE has over $17mil in the Bank,it has Known Cash Flow coming from Grants and Option Expiry as well as "talk" that G24i is ramping up production 09/10 some ten fold.

What this all indicates to me resillient and any other patient reading pilgrim to Mammon is that for Starters a DYE Market Capitalisation of $120 milish is manifestly inadequate.
I have a whole conspiracy/financial shenanagans tale based on bleeding Tricom Short Selling DYE by LOAN,not appearing on the Official Short List,of the Tullochs 2.5 mil maybe more from about $1.80 when our Dave left the Market.With Closure of the Short Position recently.

I believe and am trying to get DYE Management to "investigate" by Share Register Comparison IF this actually ocurred.I don't like Dark Doings by Bean Counters in shares I hold.but I won't waffle on about this til I know more.

Anyhow IF DYE at some future date needs to Raise Capital for World Dominance I reckon that it will be ONLY from ALL ShareHolders rather than Sophisticated Placements.Why?chiefly so Dave can get his shares to prevent Dilution "cheaper" than On Market Buying.If this method is used it will also flip the Share Price UP not drag it back to Placement price etc.

Anyhow,that's pretty much all I've got on DYE for ya to work over and out.

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Monday, April 28, 2008 - 10:55 am:

resillent1 wrote on Sunday, April 27, 2008 - 04:18 pm:
Dyesol's patent protection is based around the commercial manufacture process. This is some protection but mainly only a time delay as any of the other license holders can develop their own production processes.

See announcement 14th January where the EPFL patent "boffin" is now working for DYE.

resillent1 wrote on Sunday, April 27, 2008 - 04:18 pm:
Also having Proffesor Graetzel (owns 250k shares)

The European Holders have all their shares bundled up in the ANZ Nominees Top Figure in Substantial Holders.About Half of Dave d'Billionaire shares bought in Germany are there with his Australian percent held in #3 Citicorp Entry.
IF Graetzel holds less than 5% in Europe that's where they'll be ie the 250k is only his Oz holdings.Also he holds Options maturing Nov 08.

In General,one must look at the Konarka "deal".This was a non-pioneer patent Holder with the patent for plastic Solar Panels.They sold this patent for Cash +5% Holding in G24i.On getting this patent transfer,G24i still bought their "Muck" from DYE.Previously Konarka bought Muck from DYE too.Konarka had to move into something somewhat different,Gunk instead of Superior Muck and remember the saying
Theres Money in Muck and Gunk don't Qualify!!

I haven't the time this week to further delve into your "misgivings".I expect your info is coming from the Pegasus Report which I haven't read.
Please advise more on these Pioneer Patents and give some BackUp to "some protection but only time delay"
IF DYE has the Pioneer Commercial Manufacture Patent,what do the other pioneers cover/hold seperate to this?
Can they only manufacture "in house" for their specific Needs?and wouldn't they only be able to manufacture this NOT using ANY of DYE's subsequent Patented Solely to them Processes?

Anyway,I'll be back next week to sort this out for myself.
Hope by then you are a bit more specific about what's worrying you.Presently I'm not following why d'panic because DYE ONLY has the Commercial Manufacturing Patents.I would have thought these were KEY ones to have.

later,
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Monday, April 28, 2008 - 01:02 pm:

Dug

We are only talking matters of degree, not the difference between failure and success. To bypass EPFL patents you have to invent a new technology. To bypass Dyesol process patents you have to invent a machine that stirs clockwise instead of anticlockwise etc.

Having “Dave d'Billionaire” in the share registry and this Dr McEvoy as a consultant on IP both go someway to addressing my “misgivings”.

Dr McEvoy should know ever trick of the trade to maximise the value of DYE’s patents. Dave Gelbaum could be a source of both capital and management expertise to optimise any head start that DYE has. Meeting all demand with an efficient manufacturing process is their best long-term avenue to dominating the field. I doubt (my opinion only) their patents will be tight enough to defend excess margins or inefficient production, if DSC applications take off and create significant demand.

Dave Gelbaum seems to be a really interesting person. The thing I like about him (Quercus Trust) on the register is that, from what I have read, he is likely to provide lots of assistance without wanting to take the whole thing over.

Dug, I haven’t gone sour on DYE, but I’m not going to rush in either.

Catch you when you get back

Edit (getting my names strsight - thanks Dug)

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Monday, April 28, 2008 - 01:31 pm:

resillient
It's DAVE Gelbaum the Billionaire in Querus AND
Michael Graetzel the up'n'coming Nobel Prize winner.By the way our Mike is a leading Developer of Hydrogen Gizmos.Batteries for storing solar power maybe?

I googled EPFL[spelt out]+DSC pioneer patents
This link gives you the Dyesol takeover of Greatcell and some other interesting bit's n pieces.Remember STI is DYESOL wholly owned Subsidiary.

I maintain that DYE is patent protected by initial EPFL plus their own work over the last decade in DSC.Further it's the SCIENCE Practical for Commercial Purposes that requires High Grade Boffins.Where are Business Competitors going to get Competing Boffins from?Why really would they when they are mainly out to Make Producrts for Profits,just buy the Ingredients/Muck from DYE,Why reinvent the wheel sorta thing?
but you do some research for me to come back to,for some rock solid Confirmation.
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Monday, April 28, 2008 - 02:54 pm:

resillent1 wrote on Monday, April 28, 2008 - 12:02 pm:
Having “Dave d'Billionaire” in the share registry and this Dr McEvoy as a consultant on IP both go someway to addressing my “misgivings”.

It should also be pointed out that you,resillent are "checking DYE out" to be part of an "unusual type of portfolio" ie you are looking to Buy and Hold for Twenty or Thirty Years so naturally you become concerned with the Maybe in the Distant Future when DYE is a Multi Billion Market Cap Company some Big Boy will come ripping off their IP and my investment will/could be Ruined,like Gee held for 10years it's ten times today's price and IF this IP is revealed as Inadequate you'll have to Sell and find another 10timeser.
Oh Woe is YOU!!

So I know I'm doing more Exits than Dame Nelly but how about applying your Thinking on IF DYE is going to retrace further significantly and whether NOW is a Timing Try at picking d'Bottom.
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Friday, May 02, 2008 - 05:52 pm:

Dug

So you thinks I'm being a bit too fussy. I've been pondering that thought and perhaps your right, but I'm too stubborn too change.

Some hindsight regret and some Dug "I told you so" may soon be in order if this thing jumps, but for now I,m still watching.

Cheers

p.s Any goss on the CFU trading halt?

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Saturday, May 03, 2008 - 11:04 am:

resillent1 wrote on Friday, May 02, 2008 - 04:52 pm:
Any goss on the CFU trading halt

Will put some thoughts on CFU placement in it's thread here in Long Term later today/tomorrow resil.
Did you see in this weekends Australian the snippet about McQuarie appointing some Honcho to head up a Billion+Fund for Green Shares?They waffled about Wind mostly but DYE and CFU would also have to qualify.Wind like first/second generation Solar is German Dominated.
See CBD for it's Major ShareHolders and how CBD is hung out on a Liberal Election promise for a $20mil Grant.
We can only advance with Massive Government HandOuts says d'BigBoys.DYE and CFU are waaaay beyond that sort of Bleating and Blackmail.

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Tuesday, May 13, 2008 - 08:29 pm:

Dug

I've started to pick a few of these up just to see how they feel. Late last week they were far to easy to buy and to hard to sell. not yet baked.
This week? well I don't really know but it's a different character than last week.

I'm not a committed strong hand on this one yet, but I'm happy enough to keep feeling my way for a while so long as it stays above 80'ish.

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Wednesday, May 14, 2008 - 12:17 pm:

By counting the Volume in the Heads/Main Shares,it would appear that the ANZ/Opes grab of 2.6millionish has been disposed of/dispersed,resillient.
The BlackMort Options have been thinned down as well but maybe not yet wholly disposed of.
These two OverHangs brought others to Selling as well as made for "stingy" first up and top up Buyers.Some Financial Based News should take this off to maybe 130[see triple bot pattern as a recent dbl bot with a 110 crack target 130ish]
The short termers with 30%+ from current price may slow it down at 130 BUT further News could fillip it up further.

There's lots of potential good news financial [orders/sales] in d'Wings as well as Tech Ones on even cracking Milestones for Corus as well as Glass Applications.

Let's just hope DYE doesn't do a CFUker on us and raise unnecessary Funds from Bleeding Big Institutions!!

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Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 10:41 am:

Dug

Not a lot of action following news yesterday. Obviously Dye is not a hot money favorite at the moment. (all the action seems to be resources atm)

However the bids entered overnight are a bit interesting. Some longer term considered buying maybe?

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Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 11:05 am:

It can be the German/Euro pilgrims,resillient.
DYE closed $1.14 on good volume last night in Frankfurt.
Frankfurt is a Market Maker Set Up but seems to get the Action compared to Berlin etc.
I liked the News that DYE was Value Adding to it's Basic Product with this new "muck".You'll find BASF was trying/experimenting to boost power for G24i products using basic Dye.Seems DYE itself beat BASF at this.
Need Financial News not just Tech BreakThrus to get a Rocket Price,IMV.
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Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 11:13 am:

Nice to see it through 1.10. Nicer still it gave a good opportunity yesterday.

Cheers

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Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 11:36 am:

If you want more?I'd tickle the DYEO options at 85ish.That's an All Up price of 105 come November.
Seems the discount Options still happening.
by my Calculation Black Mort should be near Divested.

Elisabeth-Hope you're not going to come that Gap Theory at us.All Gaps don't have to be Closed and this one is in response to news AND the removal of a Significant OverHang[ANZ]so it may well be a Continuation Gap.Open for Ever!!

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Tuesday, May 20, 2008 - 03:08 pm:

It's said/rumoured that IF d'Germans are running on DYE just about now 2pm AEST when it's 6am Frankfurt,is when the Foreign Money can hit our Exchange for our Close.
The Germans seem to go for $10k parcels minimum.Something to watch for entertainment.
Are d'Germans Coming?
VWAP currently 112 so hope it closes near or at that.

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Thursday, May 22, 2008 - 01:16 pm:

Thought I'd chuck up a chart.Lot of extraneous factors in DYE over the last few months.That's why I estimate the Uptrend line as I've done.
Options still under cutting the Heads.Advice private email from Company is that ANZ split it's Opes Disputed Shares up into 3 Nominee Companies preventing easy discovery of whether ANZ is Out now.
WeekEnd Australian had "bit" about ANZ if it loses some court cases MAY have to give back shares it's sold.DYE's involvement is with Directors' Shares brought into Opes muddle thru Tricom debacle so I imagine/assume these are under Court Dispute.

Directors Tulloch Mr&Ms are more Boffin Orientated than Financial WhizKids of Management.See Director Profiles at dyesol.com and you find a founding Director[NOT a Tulloch] is also on the TRICOM Board.Wonder if he's up for re-election at the next Annual General?

Other than this Financial Muddle exsaserbating[?] the DYE downtrend recently,it has recently been announced that DYE cells have had a Boffin BreakThru on Power Generation etc.This in the first instance is being put into Glass DYE.

So they DYE are now into Steel Application with Glass on d'Way.
As an aside that Indian mob sniffing round McArthur Coal is "related" to Corus,it's a Family Thing.
cheers.

Note-Chart doesn't reproduce too well.Captions left to right read-
Tricom day;Options Undercut Start;Opes/ANZ news [that DYE involved];and Defence Milestone [that showed wider applications developing]

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Thursday, May 22, 2008 - 03:45 pm:

Dug

Dye hasn't "mucked" around getting to $1.35

Now for some interesting viewing as the chart unfolds.

Cheers and thanks for all the info you have provided on this stock.

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Thursday, May 22, 2008 - 05:34 pm:

A Mere $20k on a day when $685k changed hands has pushed DYE clearly through resistance on the close.

This is a good example of why traditional support/resistance analysis on lower cap stocks should not be taken too pedantically. (especially on closing prices)

Regardless of the closing shenanigans though, this was a good day for Dye

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Thursday, May 22, 2008 - 05:39 pm:

Today's chart

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The resistance of $1.35ish can been seen on the chart Dug posted earlier today.

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Thursday, May 22, 2008 - 06:49 pm:

It's the VWAP today that's "indicative".I calculated VWAP 2pmish at 125approx.Price then was low 130's.I didn't get around to Closing VWAP but it's unlikely to be much above 125 anyway.
I'm reading it that 110 is not Ultimate Support but that ANY retrace will not crack 120 [maybe 118 cos 118/120 today was an "elisabeth" Gap]
I take 118/120 as still well above the 150EMA so any retrace back to that region may see me Buying.
what about you,resillient? any price you're seeking to Shove some more Money Down or rather to Ante UP!!?!!

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Thursday, May 22, 2008 - 10:14 pm:

Dug

As discussed in this thread above, when I initially researched DYE I found a company that I liked, but at this stage I still have some hesitations for the extremely long term.

I decided to go forward with a purchase but include some long term TA with position sizing to compensate for me not necessarily being a strong holder in a future down turn.

This chart is the basis of my plan for DYE

dye

I purchased during the weeks ending 9th and 16th using my position sizing rules and 79cents as a stop. I would have normally waited to $1.10 was broken for such a long term focused hold but this guy called Dug with so much enthusiasm for the stock, convinced me that taking a bit of a chance was probably warranted in this case.

Unless I become confident enough with this company to do away with a technical stop all together than somewhere close to the lower long-term channel will be my stop.

I still have room before DYE max’s out the % holding I’m prepared to buy in one company. However to be prepared to take on more risk under my rules. One of three things needs to happen.

1) I become confident enough in Dye to do away with a technical stop.
2) DYE gets back closer to the lower long-term channel than I initially purchased at
3) I decide to hold DYE according to a faster shorter trend. As I think it’s got long-term merit, I will try to avoid this.

So the short answer is I probably wont “Ante Up” anytime in the near future, but I do already have enough to scare the crap out of myself if it was to get anywhere near the top of the long term channel in a hurry.

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Friday, May 23, 2008 - 11:26 am:

I don't go along with the Long Term Channel,resillient,started at Jan 2006.
That Peak was Artifical,generated in one or two days.It was a German Ramp Scam done in the earlier days of DYE even establishing/issuing IPO.
It caused terrible repercussions Reputation-wise for DYE.All the "clever" pilgrims swaggered round calling DYE a NewsLetter Ramp for Ripper Non Event,you'll be sorry it's a Con etc,blah.

The more recent peak August 07 had much more VALIDITY.Dave d'Billionaire Gelbaum MADE that one.Like Dave bought over $2 and Bought Every Day.
This peak also corresponded with an Issue to ALL Holders of 4500 shares at$1.10 when the bleeding thing was at $2!!This issue was registered to one's Holdings the DAY after the 240 Hit but you had them booked earlier.
Anyway,resil,you should of seen the consistent 4500 that hit the Course of Sales Day in Day out.

Anyway it all boils down to these Fascinating Facts-

Dave d'Billionaire holds with a $1.60 ish Average Price.

I believe any Capital Raising in Future will be by per held share Issue NOT everyone gets 4500 even if you hold only 10 shares.

DYE has a Restricted Number of Shares on Issue.Even with the Option exercise it'll only be some 120 million.These are also Tightly Held.Tullochs+ Dave+ another Director have at least 50% between the FOUR of them.
Tight Supply against Demand,resillient,that's what could get DYE back into $2 by the end of the year when production numbers Rise.
I reckon you can use What is a Valid Market Capitalisation for a Company on the Cutting Edge like DYE?
$500 mil? If no more dilution?well divide by 120 and whataya got?
cheers.

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Saturday, May 24, 2008 - 01:40 am:

Dug

I wouldn't worry about the channel too much. Its simply a linear regression (sorta like a time weighted average price TWAP) of all trading history with a channel at 2 standard deviations - nothing magical, it just helps me pick out the horizontal support levels I want to use for risk management, which in this case was 80 cents.

The key for me on this trade (as all my trades) is that the potential for profit is many times greater than the risk borne to know when I’m wrong according to my analysis.

I’m just going to sit back and watch how the big picture unfolds for DYE now and fill in my time by fretting about the overall market which looks really bad too me at the moment.

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Monday, May 26, 2008 - 12:32 pm:

check this out resillent-
www.nytimes.com/reuters/business/business-sony-solar.html

DYe's got a pretty pathetic PR mob on board.Ex Canberra Journalist "Chicks" supervised by some clown who used to be Head of Canberra Tourism.
Anyway,these dills can't seem to realise what is Price Sensi-titive News.
Realise that this story relates to DYE product use by Sony and....well don't be too surprised or worse Frightened if DYE jumps to 160/80 when d'PR chicks get around to doing some work.
Sales,BULK Sales for the coming up Commercial Production.

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Wednesday, May 28, 2008 - 12:12 am:

Dug

Do you know if Sony bought their research quantities of Dye from Dyesol?

Does Sony have any partnership arrangements with Dyesol or links with any of the other Pioneer Licence Holders?

Dyesol are the only supplier in position to supply commercial quantities of Dye when their production facilities come on line shortly. So I suspect if Sony move to commercialisation they would need to be a Dyesol customer, at least initially.

But here is my hesitation with Dyesol for the long term. If you were Sony and serious about large scale commercialisation of a DSC application, would you:

a) Be captive to a single supplier of a vital raw material
b) Secure your own pioneer licence and the right to manufacture the vital raw material.

If they go route b) they will have to develop their own production process and dodge Dyesols patents relating to the manufacturing process, but this would be my strategic plan if I was serious about the commercialisation of a DSC application.

Just my view – but I don’t think Dyesol have the IP protection to make obscene margins or be an inefficient manufacturer, without somebody obtaining one of the outstanding pioneer licences and developing an alternative manufacturing process in competition.

Eventually Dyesol will have to be as efficient a manufacturer as Sony or somebody similar, if they wish to turn their first producer advantage into an economic monopoly, whether they can do that is so far unknown.

Don’t take this post as to negative – As I do hold. This is just the sort of risks to the story that I will be monitoring.

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Wednesday, May 28, 2008 - 10:59 am:

resilent,
Whenever you see
1]dye-sensitized material
or 2]Michael Graetzel involvement
you are looking at someone using Dyesol Product.
Dyesol may not be mentioned itself in any articles but if they're talking about photosythesis,dye sensitized DSC[whatever]IT's DYESOL the holder of the Patents for Commercial Production.The ONE and ONLY.

See resil,DYE is the Ingredient Supplier for others to Produce Goods with.
SONY IS a Dye Client.This angle of theirs not yet in Commercial Production is more likely to be in Competition with G24i,another Billion Dollar Small Appliance Manufacturer.It is highly unlikely that Sony or anyone else will try to circumvent DYE's patents.It would put them YEARS behind coming into Commercial Production.
There may be TAKEOVER moves some years from now but that kind of chat would give me a reputation as a Blatant Ramper!!

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Wednesday, May 28, 2008 - 12:05 pm:

dug wrote on Wednesday, May 28, 2008 - 09:59 am:
Whenever you see
1]dye-sensitized material
or 2]Michael Graetzel involvement
you are looking at someone using Dyesol Product.

There are numerous licences from EPFL that give the holders the right to manufacture the dye's. It is my understanding that others have the capabilities to manufacture quantities large enough for research activities.

Do you know for fact that Sony obtained their dye for research from Dyesol?

I understand that Dyesol are the only ones at this stage that can produce dye in commercial quantity and that they have patented their production process and I understand the advantage that this gives them.

However, because they don't have the core IP over who can make the Dye(EPFL does) and they have issued multiple pioneer licences plus other specific licences, I see potential long term risks for Dyesol.

Is Sony a potential risk or might they become a substantial customer? I don't know but I would be happier if I knew for a fact rather than an assertion that they had purchased their research quantities of Dye from Dyesol, rather than obtained it from one of the other licence holders.

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Wednesday, May 28, 2008 - 12:50 pm:

Sony,Sharp and Samsung buy research quantities of Muck from Dyesol.Sylvia Tulloch told me in a private email.You may find mention of this in those BRR interviews.I never listen to these.
I've never read that Pegasus report either but I think it makes mention of these Pioneer Patents.You have to accept also that DYE of itself has patents far beyond the Original Lusanne "discoveries".It also is the THE Commercial User of any Michael Graetzel Research BreakThrus.

I have this metaphor to try and explain DYE's place in the scheme of things and why Newspapers/PR by Sony,G24i doesn't mention the Company DYE in it's promotional News Announcements etc.

Imagine Sony,G24i is a Potato Chip Manufacturer.They wouldn't acknowledge in their PR who supplies the Salt.
Muck=Salt with the added benefit that DYE is the ONLY ONE Globally able to sell it.
Yeah,a researcher could make their own,but the Methods known to DO SO are all Owned by DYE.
DYE is putting in the First Commercial Reactor in the World for making Muck.It's more in will they hit any Bumps installing and getting this operational that you should ponder,resillient.
I'm yet to find out whether this Reactor will be a Dye Patent Lock too but I'm assuming it may well be and then where will any bandwagon jumper no matter how BIG be stuck?

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Wednesday, May 28, 2008 - 01:44 pm:

"Sylvia Tulloch told me in a private email" Oohhhh how lovely, is there something going on here we should know about?

But more seriously that is good info.

It's probably time I stop annoying you with this IP concern of mine - so to side track you - The options are exercisable at anytime upto Nov 08. I can understand why anybody wanting exposure to DYE would delay exercise until Nov but why don't those wanting to sell the options just exercise them. In 14 days they would have shares that they could dispose of in a more luiquid market. Even if funding the option price was an issue they would only have to sell 20% of the options to raise the funds.

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Sunday, September 21, 2008 - 01:01 pm:

In the spirit of Mr Lunch,I'll give an update on my Long Term Hold,my One'n'Only LTH-DYEsol.

Now this is my entry in the Long Term Comp this year as well and it's,I reckon,about to come into a Blitzing Period for this Last Quarter.
Yeah it's had a really ordinary year so far.Hasn't been even able to maintain above $1.30 even though it has Nil/Nix Financing Problems but DYE has racked up some impressive partners recently to join Corus and G24i.

Recently the Italians came in on Muck.The Italian BigBoys are into Glass and Architectural Cladding.The cladding mob is called Permasteelisa and they devised/engineered the Sydney Opera House Sails for example.They aren't some tin pot backyard deal,do ya see?DYE may be Solar but it ain't Hippy!!

Anyway,the Glass mob is comparable and you chuck in Corus and you have operations that can compete with say BP Solar Globally.
but especially in Europe where DYEmuck operates more efficiently in low light conditions compared to Old Tech Silicon.

Anyway,DYE's also hooked up with Korea,has contacts developing Japan etc etc.

Best of all DYE has completed installation of the World's First Commercial Quantity Muck reactor.It's to be opened in Canberra on 7th October.
Not by the bobbsy twins Penny Wong or Pete Garrett,No Mr Martin Ferguson,a real deal Power Politicians is going to front and
Pilgrims DYE should/could be on the Telly or at least in the Fin Review!!

So instead of digging thru irrelevant S&P Indexes and Sectors,get onto some genuine Australian Scientific Heros,forget Sport,DO d'Business with the DYE Hards!!

cheers.

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Sunday, September 21, 2008 - 06:05 pm:

Hi dug,

I would not be too disgruntled with DYE's performance - there is always someone who has done worse or better in life (CBH is giving the wooden spoon a caning). I sold out at the beginning of the year (no such thing as loyalty where $$$ are at stake!) & can not see myself buying into CBH any time this week. I am not too worried about poor performance in the cometition/s it is more important how one is going in the real world (have to admit I am not impressed with performance there either! ~ but I am still battling along with smaller trades & better [more structured] money management) ..

For what it is worth DYE looks to be exhibiting some divergence on CCI - and this more often than not results in a short term bounce IMO (the gap on friday support this too). Just noticed divergence on the RSI too dug FWIW....

Daily chart: May only bounce <10c but who knows? (other indicators still look poor and overall trend is still down)... As a trade it does not yet interest me ~ however backtesting the downtrend may just get my interest peeked. It is possible this has been the shakeout from hell when compared to the april bottom....

dye

I'm more interested in WAN & SGP - my toy portfolio is in mostly still in cash (not to mention the small number of woof woofs)

Trust you are keeping well

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Happy trading DYOR

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Monday, September 22, 2008 - 01:06 pm:

tryhay wrote on Sunday, September 21, 2008 - 05:05 pm:
my toy portfolio is in mostly still in cash

Have a look at CNX,clean coal workers.I've got a thread in long term here for your queries and conclusions.

I still hold DYE.It's my largest holding.Put my CFU and PHK money in as top up.Fortunately there was that Option Fire Sale awhile back and I was able to convert Heads to Options,bringing my overall average down to "cooeee" of current prices.
Look at my weekly chart.I'm anticipating another one of those Long Candles running this back up to 120ish and then STAYING THERE to reclaim 150+.
I reckon this new facility jazz may do this.Also G24i is sniffing out a 200 Kilogram Order Price,tryhay but that's sweet FA to a purist chart bloke like yaself,hey?

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Saturday, May 02, 2009 - 12:34 pm:

Capital Raisings that make you go Hmmmmmmmm.

I now have very similar thoughts on DYE as per CFU in the pasthttp://forum.incrediblecharts.com/userscripts/forums/show.plx?tpc=316907&post=13 5742

Nice Technology but shame about the management.
Do not want to own whilst I watch to confirm or deny suspicions.

Capital for Blah Blah Blah reason they stated just doesn't cut it for me.

And they would want to have a bloody good reason for shafting current holders if they do actually have deserving investments to apply the capital too.

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Saturday, May 02, 2009 - 02:44 pm:

Thanks for reopening this thread again for me resillient[isnt that the right spelling?anyhow I'll dub you resile or resil]
I'm really happy to debate DYE the Company and this particular placement.I just hope,resil,that you don't back off thinking you've insulted or hurt me,have no right to..well don't come d'Gracious Prawn with Dug,d'jr like you do and did with rudy,ok?

Anyway,you put DYE Management on a Par with CFU.
DYE Management is dominated by the ACTUAL Boffins,Gavin and Sylvia Tulloch who are long time Pioneers of Dyesensitised 3rd Generation Solar Technology.They are under d'Wing of a World Leading Probable Nobel Prize Candidate,one Michael Graetzel the actual INVENTOR of "Muck that reproduces PhotoSynthesis Process Man Made"

So who and what are CFU Management?You can enlighten me on any similarities CFU has to Gav'n'Syv but I've only read that CFU MD is some compatriot of the Guy who Floated GDY and IMHO is only d;Money Boy for some Committee of Boffins outta d'CSIRO to produce some bleeding Fuel Cell,Energy Efficient Gizmo that has no Purpose Green in Australia but only is of interest to the danged British and other Euro Trash.

So there it is in my SOUL I despise CFU.One of my chief fears is the use of CFU as a Share Price being used to Analyse "Magnificient" DYE's Potential by NON Holders who could be expected to "research" Dyesol and reject DYE thru sheer bleeding IGNORANCE of d'Issues.

So it's TRUE and a FACT that some Global Green Share Watch/Tip Sheet that could even have been UN involved named only TWO Australian worthy GREEN Titled shares being CFU and DYE[ranked by Alphabet].
So what?Just an example of "Experts" handing out gradings that SHOULD lead one to DIY Research.Just like StarDoctor,resil.

resillent1 wrote on Saturday, May 02, 2009 - 11:34 am:
Do not want to own whilst I watch to confirm or deny suspicions.

Capital for Blah Blah Blah reason they stated just doesn't cut it for me.

And they would want to have a bloody good reason for shafting current holders if they do actually have deserving investments to apply the capital

So elaborate on this.
watching not owning?
what do ya watch to happen?what do ya want to know?
What suspicions?
ever heard the song Suspicion?Elvis did a cover of it but this one hit wonder Terry Stafford's original was best.

Every time I hold you I'm still not certain that you love me,...
still not certain that you care.
..do you say the same words to someone else
when I'm not There.

Now as a Long Time DYEhard,I got all this inside goss on who I think is d'Fly in DYE Muck.The ONE to watch,be afraid very afraid of like,resil but I won't go where angels fear to tread unless I feel d'Staunch.

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Saturday, May 02, 2009 - 11:01 pm:

Dug

The similarities I draw between DYE and CFU is to do with how they have both handled capital. Their respective management may be chalk and cheese but they have both now made raising that on the surface have not been in shareholders best interest.

CFU has played out.

Dye still deserves to be watched. There may be news coming that justifies what on the surface looks to be pretty dubious. But my personal assessment for now puts me on the sideline.

I think swapping DYE scrip for 90 cents is a poor decision or says something about the business that the insiders know and I don’t. If the business is healthy then at the very least the offer should have been made to existing shareholders via a rights issue. And what did they raise the cash for? Management should seek to maximise capital efficiency – not have lazy cash sitting around for a rainy day.

Pure opinion on DYE here: (this is to sugar coat it for you - ie daily bread style) I suspect good technical managers have probably made a poor capital decision, most likely at the prompting of (paid consultants - here to help/ make themselves rich types). If dye is going to reach its potential some sort of transitioning to higher calibre ‘business’ managers is needed. I don’t however question current managements technical expertise.

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Sunday, May 03, 2009 - 11:47 am:

resillent1 wrote on Saturday, May 02, 2009 - 10:01 pm:
I think swapping DYE scrip for 90 cents is a poor decision or says something about the business that the insiders know and I don’t. If the business is healthy then at the very least the offer should have been made to existing shareholders via a rights issue. And what did they raise the cash for? Management should seek to maximise capital efficiency – not have lazy cash sitting around for a rainy day.

DYE is doing a $7mil PLACEMENT to OVERSEAS Investors AND a $3mil Rights Issue to OZ Holders.This is SHEERLY being done this way because it is UNLAWFUL to Rights Issue to Overseas Investors[as far as I know]

DYE,in contrast to CFU already has $6million in Safe Bank Deposits.This equates to a Year's Cash Burn that does NOT take in any growth in Cash Flow so pretty obviously DYE is not raising money to cover any "financial" mistakes like blessed CFU HAD To.

CFU's placement and Rights Issue had the effect of Transferring Majority ShareHolding to Overseas Interest.

Their Placement etc being at 5cents Massively Diluted and put beyond reasonable Hope that Founding Australian Shareholders will EVER get their Money Back.An example of this is in the Founding Sub Holder,Woodside that by my calculation had it's Holding at 75 cents and IF it had participated in the Rights Issue would have Doubled Down to about 40cents.A Bleeding Long Way from the OS Holders who sit on 5 cents hey?

Now DYE has not released Info on the OS Rights issue.I hope it's on a Xnumber/Current Holding basis but it'll probably be say $5000 worth for any,each ShareHolder.

I completely concur that Best Corporate Governance is Company Rights Issue Method over Placements to d'Some Sophisticated.
Further the Fine Ultimate Rights Issue is a so many/existing shareholding.
I'm just failing to get your point about this ONLY Good when Management Places at some price above their Perceived Value bit but let's take that off to Side Issues Thread down in Hil Hall of Fame.

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Sunday, May 03, 2009 - 01:34 pm:

Funding granted by Welsh Assembly government likely was $for$ style with Dyesol demonstrating expected ability to obtain at time of application.

AUD $7 million in London may be the working capital to develop, or perhaps to accelerate development, for commercial production of metal and glass based BIPV products through the Welsh project.

Dyesol: Commentary and Update – 3rd Quarter 2009 Wednesday 29th Apr 2009 11:18:37 am
http://www.dyesol.com/index.php?page=NewsArticles&archiveitemid=5&archiveitemdatetime=2009-04-29%2011:18:37&archiveitemstart=1&archiveitemtotal=8&archiveitemlimit=3
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During the quarter, the company met another key milestone in our partnership project with Corus and announced the first stage commitments from projects in Korea and Turkey – moving the company closer to full commercialisation.
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Figure will hear more soon ;-)

Corus and Dyesol Make Solar Cell Plans
RenewableEnergyWorld, 12 March 2008
http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/article/2008/03/corus-and-dyesol-ma ke-solar-cell-plans-51817

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Steel company Corus, dye solar cell manufacturer Dyesol, and the Welsh Assembly government have agreed on a funding deal designed to further the development of dye solar cell technology on steel for building integrated photovoltaic (BIPV) applications.

Corus and Dyesol have been working closely for the past two years and in January completed a detailed feasibility study that revealed extended product lives, lower material costs and steadily increasing efficiency gains from the technology, which could make it suitable for large surface area applications on a range of building types.

When commercialized, dye solar cell technology on steel for BIPV applications may become significantly more cost effective than other competing PV technologies and achieve high market capture, the companies say. Funding has been secured from the Welsh Assembly government allowing the next stage of prototyping and development to be undertaken. A new facility, based in North Wales, will become the home of Corus and Dyesol scientists and engineers jointly engaged on the development.
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Thursday, November 26, 2009 - 11:55 am:

Has DYE reached the support at .92?
Any observations/comments out there?

As the Irishman said, 'Anyone who's not confused here doesn't really understand what's going on'.

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Monday, December 07, 2009 - 09:58 am:

Greetings Zorba,
obviously DYE has support around 90 centsish.There was a SPP recently at that price so it's been made a 'benchmark'.
unfortunately,when price goes over say $1+,the placement takers go for short term returns thus swamping demand.

also,did you read the DYE short term thread where I proposed that major shareholder Dave Gelbaum was 'capping' the DYE SP?
A major Volume Sale/Transfer went thru awhile back and I'd hoped Dave had Quit.Unfortunately it seems he just transferred a lot of shares under the umbrella of USB[a swiss secret big boy Institution]

anyhow,Dave is a Major Factor in Dyesol's very average Share Price Performance.
DYE keeps making good progress,announcing positive news of tech and commercial breakthrus but Dave's and the Placement getters Sell into any and all Rises.

So there's what i reckon is the basic story,zorba.
I can give much more details and prophesies re DYE but why should i bother when
a]Don't know whether You even Hold the Share
b]your lev el of commitment or concern about such an investment

and [c]three line less than 50 word posts give me no indication at all of matters that may be of interest to you
so

90centish is current support.IMHO a wide[if any] Stop should be implemented because this share in particular has BigBoy Manipulation going DOWN.

cheers.

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Monday, December 07, 2009 - 11:10 am:

Hi Dug

I'm very interested in this company, from what I've read it feels like it's time is coming very quickly. Maybe Copenhagen might be a catalyst for it?
Why do you think Gelbaum is holding it back by the way?

I'm currently not in the stock (sold at 98c a few weeks back) but one I'm watching closely to return to.
Support for me seems to be at 84c with a stop at 82c looking at recent lows from last 3 months. Buying opportunities between 84-90c, 89c as I write.

The liquidity has put me off a little bit Dug. There's days when there's 10-20 trades and I got worried about holding the baby if bad news struck. I think if you're able to put it in the bottom drawer for 5 years this could be a beauty.

Looking forward to hearing your latest views (in English if possible).

Cheers

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Monday, December 07, 2009 - 05:03 pm:

baysider,
DYE doesn't have that many shares on issue,compared to any other 'technology developers'this far advanced.

So yes there is a Risk of a Day's Plummet but equally there's a chance,if not more of a probability,of a Day's Rocket and no subsequent retrace.
So if you choose to play it "tight" ie buy under 90 cents but never at 95,well where are ya gunner be when it does 120 and takes off from there ever upwards?

i reckon you'll be whinging about d'One that Got Away,you were gunner,shoulda,woulda if it was 2 cents cheaper but ya didn't,so you bemoan Fate blah blah blah.

one month chart so that 10mil+ Volume Spike transfer by Dave is eliminated.

Long Term Weekly Candles chart to illustrate adherence to Weinstein Principles of Break Out Share with reference to EMA's.
note 87 as confirming support line and the Big Weeks Up.Yeah it subsequently Retraced but what IF News re Corus eg is so Earth Shattering that it don't come back?

and I've whacked in a Vertical trend line joining higher Lows that occured over the last year.
"Dig" how current Price Action has DYE back on this line.

enough?can you understand my grammar?
get back to me on any points you may not understand or agree with.

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Monday, December 07, 2009 - 06:25 pm:

Dug

Crystal clear.
Of course there's always the danger of missing the boat and this is one I'd like to be on board. I shall be looking for a suitable gangplank in the near future.

Still don't quite get the Dave bit though. Why is it you think he's up to no good.

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Monday, December 07, 2009 - 07:38 pm:

Re Dave d'Billionaire ex Hedge Funder-

i await eagerly,baysider your interpretation of these FACTS that shows Dave ain't Nefarious but all sweetness and light.

Dave sold his substantial stake [16% down below 10,near to 5%]at a Significant Loss.His Break Even was ~A$1.60 but he sold 70-115.

He was NOT affected by the Financial MeltDown.He bought significant stakes in other Companies while he lost on DYE.

This Selling was relentless by Dave.See his Change in Sub Notices,every day he dribbled to swamp the Market.

All this was being done while DYE was "kicking goals",meeting milestones with Corus and opening new avenues of expansion and commercial development.

Then you find Dave is a Major Holder in an Israeli Dyesenitised Manufacturer of Solar Panels.This company,3G Solar is trying to be floated on the Canadian Stock Exchange for Dave's Great Profit.However,it fails to float and goes back to Jerusalem,and our dave misses out.

He then,I SUSPECT,transfers his remaining holding to this Swiss Mob so his divesting/shenanigans/price capping is not so obvious and trackable.

so,i know one desires to have a PollyAnna Attitude[Google it]but i just reckon dave is a supreme prat wrecking the DYE share price fluctuations for his own high finance reasons.

tell me why it ain't so,baysider?
and i'll tell you what some other Real Problems are in DYE.

but please,you say you've researched this share,as i have,yet i'm getting no relevant opinions out of you other than waffle about bleeding Copenhagen.

ya've been too busy catering ya opinions to d'Coffee Shop/Barbque Set,baysider.
IMHO,that is
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Monday, December 07, 2009 - 08:44 pm:

Ahh Dug
You're such a charmer. What company you'd be around the said BBQ. What would you eat i wonder, rare, maybe raw steak - only the finest quality of course. Know doubt you'd have checked out the butcher/abatoir/farmer/grass/breed before you ate it!
Point being Dug you're great at background research, I fully believe you're findings, thanks very much by the way for doing the hard yards. When Dug says he likes something I take note and generally have a little look myself. (That's a compliment by the way).

Dug I'm quite sure there's nothing I could tell you about DYE that you don't fully know yourself, suffice to say there's potential there. You never know what will happen of course but I'd like to join you on the journey with 'Dave' on this one and hope he lets it go above $1 consistently at some point soon.