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dug

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Sunday, October 14, 2007 - 12:28 pm:

It's Raining.Dams,Lakes are Forming.
Phoslock has it's Biggest Sales in the Australian Summer.
It's CSIRO developed and it's chart shows a pattern that includes the Golden Cross 30/60.

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Sunday, October 28, 2007 - 04:50 pm:

Since this is a longterm thread with fundamentals allowed I have the following comments regarding phk:

As a wastewater process engineer I am aware of phoslock. It is similar to another product from virotec (VTI). Basically the stuff is the red mud waste product from bauxite production to aluminium. If you have been to Gladstone then you will know the huge red mud dam.

I would be wary of both products. We have trialled the VTI product. Whilst it is good at chemically removing phosphorus it is poor at removing Nitrogen - the key environmental driver for EPA licencing (especially for large coastal treatment plants as N is a limiting nutrient in the marine environment).

The biggest negative is the longterm cost of these products. At current prices both are expensive operationally compared to conventional biologal removal processes.

Further these products produce a large amount of sludge waste and stain the product water and treatment equipment red/brown. And, there are cheaper chemical removal products available for P removal such as alum.

I believe most of the sales will come from councils trialling the product or from councils looking for quick fix solutions to delay large CAPEX expenditure on new plants. The overall result is the product will likely become unpopular as its performance and costs become better known.

Im not sure but it looks like VTI has now delisted. Perhaps this is where PSK is headed?

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Sunday, October 28, 2007 - 05:20 pm:

Excellent Rig,I'd never heard that Phoslock is similar to blasted Virotec!!
Virotec went to the London AIM exchange "exclusively"[was dual listed,then delisted here]I found out that Phoslock was the combination of some rare earth plus a commonly occuring mineral but didn't think it was a CSIRO invented Virotec clone,I have no chemistry etc background to actually identify what it really was.
This is what I reckon Forums are for,sharing the knowledge across the various categories of "pilgrims" and I will certainly follow up on this line of Inquiry you have opened to me,rig.

So got any Word on listed Companies active in Water Sector that may have some GO in them?Still reckon when we get a flood up here in Qld all this water restriction palaver/motivation will evaporate.Even Government will stop using the Water Scare for Money Raising.They'll be more onto raising Energy Prices,for our own good,acourse.

that's why I have 5/6 times more in DYE than the now PHKed PHK!
Thanks again for suggesting removal of my green tinged glasses!

regards.

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BUT I SEE what you DO"

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Monday, October 29, 2007 - 03:58 pm:

Hi Guys,

Further to dug's notes in MRX thread (point with MRX dug is I believe they sold off their Uranium to DYL - so your conscious can be clear) I confirm some stuff relating to PHK.

I guess the ramp for Phoslock is particularly focused on phosporous removal ~ and I think it does a stirling job. Rig's advice on nitrogen being a bigger problem that phoslock don't address may well be true but I dont think they sprook for N removal so ...

Algae needs three thing to bloom: 1. Sunlight, 2. Nutrients ~ commonly some of Nitrogen & some 3.Phosporous. Ideally one should try and remove both nutrients in wastewater ~ the reason EPA heavy Nitrogen is it is supposed to be easier to remove (provided the plant is not too overloaded). Phosporous requires close process control (for biological removal) and traditional chemical removal (coagulation + polyelectrolyte) requires ball park dose rates and something to lock up the Phosporous when it is removed (that is where Phos lock is so good).

The EPA believes N removal is easier but with overloaded plants (eg SWC in Hawkesbury River ~ western Sydney) still can not get it right consistently: One is supposed to remove nitrogen by nitrifying and then denitrifying (with bugs) & if there is correct operation of the plant the nitrogen bubbles off into the atmosphere and unfortunately the phosporous "sinks" to the bottom of the pond (or receiving waters - and phoslock is supposed to lock it up here).

I guess the point is that Phoslock ain't gunna be lost and the long term chart I checked out last night showed it is respecting the suport and probably gunna keep heading NNE.

I digress, CNM green power was on this afternoons "Scope" (only for those with nuthin to do when you knick off from work early: I am more keen on this one dug until PHK's chart demostrated the bounce.

Trust everything else is going OK

Mark
You asked for it!

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Monday, October 29, 2007 - 09:44 pm:

I can only comment on companies benefiting from the "water crisis" that I have direct involvement with my line of work. These include design consultants, and engineering construction companies in the water/wastewater industry. A number of the engineering design companies are privately owned - of which I work for one.

The larger listed players have had a sterling run up already - but perhaps more to go as seen today. The bigger players are UGL (design, operations, management and construction), LEI (mainly construction), Abbey Group (construction and some design - I think maybe german owned now?). CDD has some exposure to water/environment too I believe. Perhaps there is more that Im not aware of?

Also, I concur with Tryhay.

Virotec were claiming benefits of N removal, whilst from what Tryhay says Phoslock are not.

Further, N is the driving factor for coastal treatment plants because N is a limiting nutrient in marine waters. It is the opposite for inland fresh water bodies where P is a limiting nutrient. Hence there are different EPA licences for plants discharging to freshwater water bodies. Run-off from agriculture over using fertilisers or high P discharge from a WWTP can stimulate algal growth in fresh water bodies such as lakes/rivers. Hence phoslock can come in handy here.

With focus shifting to 100% reuse of effluent for inland plants the higher P water can be considered beneficial as a "cheap" fertiliser alternative if used for agriculture irrigation - negotiated case specific EPA licences.

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Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - 10:10 am:

"I hear WHAT you say,
BUT I SEE what you DO"

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Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - 06:13 pm:

So we've sorted this out?
ReReading rigs original post again,the points Negative[sends equipment red,not much good just a stop gap]refer SPECIFICALLY to VIROTEC Nitrogen[N] extracting.
Phoslock is for Phosphorous[P]and rig unfortunately compared,put PHK,in the same category as Virotec.
Right?

dug FWIW I have answered your statements/questions in bold below
Right: you will recal dug I went to a conference (at tamworth) and the boffins from Phoslock were there ~ still have a sample of the product in the boot of the car. It seems to be based on bentonite clay (lots of charged locations on the clay surface to attract phosphate ions to them and so the colloid gets heavy (floculates) and sinks to the bottom of the waterbody I think the other product Vitriole?? is by product of aluminium manufactiure (whereas bentinite is mined ~ little bit more natural).

Have you rig[or tryhay]actually seen a large body of water treated with Phoslock?Can either of you confirm it DOESN'T have these equipment problems? No but the phoslock website has two videos that show the product works a treat ~ I think they are bit over the top (normally required to dose product on a daily basis rather than shock dose and forget (as the video suggests) but they represent the capability of the product without focus on money side!
I've heard it's quite "Dusty",Blow away in a stiff breeze,too fine grained etc BUT they have put it into pellet form as an improvement. I've also read it's Non Toxic,fit for human consumption which I'm sure Virotec wouldn't lay claim to as it's based on Bauxite Sludge. wonder is bentonite is natural product & as a kid you probably ate your share out the back yard in the mud pie bregaide

Your point,rig,about inland dams and P,is interesting especially the bit about cheap irrigation fertilizer water but can you tell me about algae getting to toxicity levels for humans even live stock?Is this a reason to treat Algae[by removing P]or is it simply a matter for filtration? dug it is more asthetic I suggest rather than based in fact: the main risk of algae blooms is the bad taste & odour they impart to the water (and the small risk of toxins poisoning water users). Two sydney harbours (capacity) in Warragamba dam means sydney siders will not be poisoned but may complain about the taste & smell of the drinking water

Europe is a Market for Phoslock.The lakes,moats around Castles tourist trade,rig.Smelly Algae Infested Ponds,rig turn off the Tourists! sounds right to mem dug - they have plenty of money to buy the phosL &

Anyway,is it crossing your mind rig to Buy some PHK?
It announces some actual Bulk Sales instead of demonstration deals in Europe and it'll be on it's way.
30cents,you'll shake your head in the future,I saw it but didn't do anything even with a spare 5 grand.Now it's THREE Times that!!
maybe,like could happen. dug I have attached the longer term chart which indicate to me that PHK aint going to 0c (no offence ment Rig)and I think I'll buy $7,000 when the resistance is broken (can not see that is going to be too long
cheers.

PHOZLOCK good stuff

Am away from home and the Wi Fi connection is a bit slow so I will leave the short term analysis to you dug

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Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - 09:13 pm:

Tryhay,

Good luck with the PHK. I hope it makes you a fortune.

My comparison to the virotec product is that I understand that both products are basically the same - an inert clay product with high FRP reduction potential sourced as a by-product from aluminium plants i.e. red mud - until recently viewed as a troublesome waste product by the aluminium industry (hey what do they care if someone wants to remove it for them and flog it off).

I cant comment any further as I am not an expert on PHK. As stated, my experience was with the virotec product.

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Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - 05:38 am:

Morning All,

" until recently viewed as a troublesome waste product by the aluminium industry "

I've never even looked at this stock before so I can't offer any real opinion and I just may be repeating a
rumor I heard years ago, but isn't that exactly what they said about Fluoride before they found a use for it and ironically added it to our water supply? and could there be a market for whatever it is that they are trying to extract?
Cheers...... Sorry, my first attempt at changing colours:{

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Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - 03:25 pm:

rig,
On Virotec and Phoslock being similar-
Two maybe more years ago,Virotec was being ramped["con like Boosted"]Buy Buy VTI was the Call by this blow in member.Multiple Treads in Short and Long Term were Opened exclusively about Virotec and how every one should Load Up on Virotec shares and this went on for months,pretty much til Virotec delisted here and went exclusively onto the London AIM stock exchange.

The upshot of all this was that some fascinating facts emerged about Virotec in the Negative.
a]The Aust Company was called Virotec International[VTI] but there was also a completely different Company[in the same game/industry]just called Virotec,who were much more "respectable" than VTI.

b] My memory was that VTI's bauxite "muck" was touted for curing LAND degredation,some toxic waste eating capabilities were touted.

c]But Most of All the Company Structure of VTI was at that time Really Suspect.Virotec[VTI] was exposed in The Financial Review as a sham,dodgy in it's actual company Management in the past and even a review by such as we of it's current Set-Up,if you had a cynical eye?well,VTI was based at Sanctuary Cove,Rig.You're a Brisbaner? Is that enough said or do you need the inhabitants of Sanctuary Cove denounced and defamed?

So I hope you see that when you drew a Comparison between VTI and PHK chemically,usefulness wise from your personal professional opinion?well it had to be checked out!

So you may be confusing Virotec with Virotec International.
If not,then maybe you're not experienced much in how shonky listed companies operate.It'd be no surprise to me that VTI is now touting as a WATER Cleaner,there's interest in such things so linking to water is "hotter" than land especially if you've got a DUD product that may "work" but wrecks/stains equipment while doing it!

Now Rig you're wrong to project that Phoslock has ANYTHING to Do with Bauxite Sludge,it doesn't.
You're wrong to project what happened to VTI's share price onto Phoslock as some one and the same Shonk.Phoslock's Management have shown NONE of the classic characteristics,concern charging ploys that I've seen in the run I've had from 20cents to 50cents and back again to Maybe Buy In Time again.

so I hope I'm not writing too confusedly for you.I have to try and get d'Gist of your's and Tryhay's jargon and I want to thank you again for bringing your professional engineering in the Water Industry View to my attention for considering.

Happy Trading.

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BUT I SEE what you DO"

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Saturday, November 10, 2007 - 06:07 pm:

Hi guys,

dug I got a feeling your eyes started to glaze over (not to mention "nod off in the first paragraph of science jargon" ) with the above teckie stuff on PHK - I apologise, but you did ask the direct question and the answer is that PHK is a beauty product & perhaps ripper share to boot (not very scientific but the same sentiment).

I have looked at PHK short term and it does not look like a screaming buy just yet: wrong side of the 200_DMA, MACD & DMI -ve, and retracing towards the 12 month low ~ admittantly volume is down on the retracement but I don't want to buy in just yet (probably an opportunity for you to top up though).

I could woffle on about flouride rockon but I'll take the "nod off" hint ..(but I will say it [flouride] is good for you and you should drink more tap water and not that bottled s%^&*t)....

Daily chart:

phk

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Sunday, November 11, 2007 - 10:38 am:

No tryhay,I can follow scientific jargon when I have to.I just can't replicate it's arguments in my own words confidently.
Rigs point about Nitrogen removal for Coastal Outflow while Phosphorous is the problem for land locked water bodies was excellent,didn't know that information.
I hope I didn't "insult" rig by those You are Wrongx3 points above.It was the mention of the CONdemned Virotec that did it!
Anyhow it's the Phosporous caused Algae being poisonous in Recreational Water Bodies that also double as water storage that's the problem PHK addresses as a Health Issue let alone asthetics.
Your point,tryhay about the requirement to re-apply Phoslock is an economics of usage negative,may take it out of being used for Maintenance and only have it's use "restricted" to Clean Up then try and lower phosphorous excess building up in the future for Maintenance.Suppose it'd depend on time life cycle of Algae but,well,tryhay I ain't prepared to research/fill my head with Fascinating Facts about ALGAE!!

but as a wannabe green future investor,tryhay.
The best bet for Ethanol is if it's got from Algae not from any offshot Farm Produce.Oil is formed by algae deposits eons ago so the Boffins are working on speeding up the process and are working on the valid assumption that Algae can be grown without taking up Arable/Farming Acres.
My chum Dave d'Billionaire[see DYE] he's investing in Algae Ethanol but I don't think the Company is even Listed in the USA yet.
Anyhow,tryhay Ditch Ethanol from your plotting.It's not going to happen,be viable at the moment no matter what the Nationals/Farmers try to argue[unless they go Algae!].

regards.
ps-Get into DYE!!PHK should really be waited on for a Significant Cash Flow Fillip based on BULK Sales not just Demonstrations.
A looming "problem" for PHK is the running out of their Cash Flow requiring a Sophisticated Placement.This may have to be at the same price as last time 25cents.Management says it's not going to happen[a placement] but they aren't rolling in Sales yet either.Best Chance seems to be this Fish/Prawn farm lurk to generate actual Sales but ya cost of regular application may be d'Stymie on that.

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BUT I SEE what you DO"

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Tuesday, November 20, 2007 - 12:07 pm:

Hey Tryhay,U2 rig even rockon
PHK announced today about Sales that will probably negate my "concern" of them having to do a 25 cent Placement.

I'll be buying more myself now.
The Chief Fundamental Unknown is What is Phoslock's MARK UP.
What's their Cash Flow per Tonne when there actually Flogging It not just "Demonstrating".
This won't actually be Revealed for months maybe not for A Year but...
well if it's "interesting" PHK it'll be a BUCK by then!!
AT LEAST!!
DYOR a course

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Tuesday, November 20, 2007 - 09:29 pm:

dug looks like a short term bounce upcoming if it decides to behave ~ that peskie 200D_MA looks to affects PHK. When it gets to 33c I'll get more interested ...

Daily chart: FWIW

phk

Not bought in yet...

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Wednesday, November 21, 2007 - 06:08 pm:

My mistake above: more recent chart attached below

phk

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Saturday, November 24, 2007 - 11:09 am:

Tryhay,
well,it's done the Mystical Golden Cross and now it's running towards Third Hit at 32 Resistance as well as breeched the 200EMAer.So it's shaping up quite well,hey?

I think PHK can be classified as a Non Trading Sorta of Share at these Levels.I mean I don't think there's much buying going on with the Intention of Selling in the low/mid 30's for a Quickie Coup.
At any time the Buyers previously at 40/50 may Swamp Sell confirming Resistance but I just reckon there's not a "crew" of Flash Harrys out there waiting to pounce on a 10%+ gain.

Anyway,I bought some more.I'm at Break Even+ at 30cents and my plan is to Buy More on Resistance Break and maybe selling/buying Peaks and Troughs as Discerned from Market Depth etc blah maybe,might.
Just have to see how it GOes.
cheers.

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Sunday, November 25, 2007 - 11:17 am:

The MAIN "Thing" about Phoslock is that it is NOT Patented.It only has the TradeMark name Phoslock registered WorldWide.
So Phoslock is not some secret Herbs'n'Spices "Invention"[like say Virotec or ESI even DYE].This may be seen by prospective Investors as a Negative.After all if it's not Patented,Clothed in Intellectual Property Rights bits of paper,it can be copied.Sold Cheaper etc.

However Phoslock is a Product involved in the Food Chain,Clean Water.So it is in fact Advantageous that it not some chemical additive secret Based.Government Regulations regarding Food Safety etc do not get Applied to Phoslock.It does not NEED to be Proved as Safe for Human Consumption so PHK isn't Delayed in being released onto the various markets.

but what about the Fear of being copied,under cut because PHK is not "special" like say the Coca-Cola recipe.

I think you have to "believe" in the Phoslock Marketing being concentrated in Government Department Organised Projects worldwide.Phoslocks Company Secrets lie in Application.How much per MegaLitre,How to Apply it over large surface areas.Things that tryhay and rig would be working daily on.
Now a "Good" Department of Government has Effectiveness Criteria PreDominant over "mere" Cost Considerations.If the Job gets DONE,actually Happens and it's No Worries Quick?

well,once Phoslock has up a Body of Evidence over a Range of Situations with names of countries World wide?Those are the words-Germany,Britain,China let alone the Melbourne Water Authority
Such words are pretty much all the Consideration a "Good" Department needs.
Credibility on Application=Good Governance.

Phoslock is GOing to get THE NAME.

and to tease it up.After all I'm a Long Term Follower.

read the recent announcement.the BIT about cleaning some Nth China Waste Channel that used to be a River.
Now imagine when we here in Oz get Onto the Murray/Darling,geezus in Brisbane they got Oxley Creek!!!
oh cain't U C pilgrims

Phoslock is the name that'll put Water on d'Lips!!

really i should get a real job as a jingle writer.

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Sunday, November 25, 2007 - 11:42 am:

Triple Bottom Break Out to the Time Note on Last Run.

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Sunday, November 25, 2007 - 12:24 pm:

hello dug

I'm not sure why we bother but FWIW the chart below suggests what just may happen with PHK IMO ~ indicating why I am not too interested in buying into PHK for some time yet. Yes some company announcement may just bounce them off the planet (and pigs may just fly) but the chart suggests to me that the prognosis is some more porridge until the rectangle is broken out of (OK a 'quick' ~7c is possible if it behaves but I would rather being in a hotter area then holding and hoping).

Not that I am suggesting thaT you sell out ~ your position sounds like a rewarding one! BTW some operators down the south coast told me they use Phoslock to clean up algae in ponds, but it seemed to kill the fish? I'll try to investigate further...

Daily chart: Perhaps a breakout early february (unless out market is in the process of tanking right about then..

phk

My guess is the hard commodities are going to rally on the certainty provided by our new 'centre left' government & if that is the case I may just make more in another share [I need to purchase a dart board and invest five minutes chart analysis to make sure I pick the right one].....

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Sunday, November 25, 2007 - 01:02 pm:

Loosen up a bit,tryhay.PHK is just an alternative to the Hard Commodities.It's "Suitable" for a Long Term Trade,I reckon it's got Short Term Go potential as well.
30/40 is 33.33% Tryhay or what,I[you] would rather seek the likes of Flinders Diamonds[FDL].
what if you're on d'day job for the once in a blue moon rocket?
or are you on Holidays again soon?

The Chart one year shows how the Oz Summer Could be the Killing Season on PHK.
Seeing as it's main sales are Oz based,well that makes it that Oz Summer not only Could but May,even Should,result in PHK action beyond hanging round til February.

You're not feeling sorry for the Loss of the Liberal Party are you tryhay?
Calling Rudd d'Brizzo Centre Left?? that's soooo 80's,tryhay.

Change is BETTER than A Holiday,trymate.

and a change from be all 'n'end all mineral following may pay off as well.

cheers.

ps-over at warm pig I'd have grounds for spiitting DownRamper at you for that crack about Killing d'Fish!!
You just blandly come in about some Rumour that came to you from FisherMen!!But you'll have to get around to getting them to repeat it to ya Again!!
UC how "devestating" I or others could take such a comment?

If these Fishermen have Gold Fish,like in a tank,they may be talking about d'OTHER Phoslock that is extremely Chemically Based.It's a spin-off/imitation product NOT our Phoslock this other Muck just "uses" the name.

I read about it in Warm Pig.You can get confirmations/links there but basically THIS Muck is Solely for Tank Fish AND costs some 3/4 times more per 100 grams than Our REAL PhosoL.

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Sunday, November 25, 2007 - 01:49 pm:

OK I've Loosened up a bit.

The reason it does not suit me to hold PHK dug is with non LVR shares I rather not hold them > 1 month and PHK looks to me it aint ready to breakout just yet (I look for breakout trade if possible). I do not mind holding LVR shares >12 months but the toy portfolio returns suffer if I'm not churning at least monthly. I'm not intending to down ramp ~ but the reason I say this is in the chart above. Only time will tell if I am up myself.

The popular culture (Radio National ~ well almost popular)is describing Rudd as 'centre left' dug: in fact I voted for Labour in lower house & Greens in upper house. Even though the economy looks like tanking (perhaps crashing one day with sub prime trigger etc) IMO Labour will be better than Conservative's ~ perhaps a broarder view of society than a rational economic one.

Holls are approaching and melbourne is the point of interest this year. Be nice to see cricket at MCC (better late than never)

Talking of a change from hard commodities, my broker suggested Rams and I still own 1/3 of the parcel! so I would rather be comfortable with the trade & the setup. (BTW he also suggested T3 as well ~ big winner).

I was interested when discussing 'chemical dosing' with the water treatment operators I am training down south that they used Phoslock ~ only to have anacdotal suggestion that it killed fish in a pond they dosed. I promise I won't mention it again on forum, but plan on investigating the story further ~ to check out if the propper product and proper dose rates etc were used .

Happy trading

On another matter your pick in the comp CFU looks like a good setup IMO and the chart below shows how it seems to have bounced off solid support and may just go to ~ 89c

CFU

I do not own and don't looks like buying in this week - No Available Funds

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Monday, November 26, 2007 - 12:19 pm:

Some German mob-Magnavore markets PURA Phoslock to the Aquarium Trade.They say it's made from Beta-GFH[Beta Ferric Oxide Hydroxide]and is Superior to any and all Aluminium based PHOSPHOROUS removers.[That's what/why rig was talking about Bauxite Sludge]
So they were selling it for about $70 a kilo [ish] while PHK has it for $30/kilo for the Aquarium Market.
So tryhay,as my resident Chemical Savant,is it the same chemical product ie is the Real PHK Beta-GFH?

cheers.

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Monday, November 26, 2007 - 10:38 pm:

Hello dug,

Presently I'm up to my a$%^e hole with aligators (exams & assessments), but suggest you apply some brain power to <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/bentonite> or for a wider more complete selection <http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=t&ie=utf-8&rls=gglr,gglr:2006-02,gglr:en&q=bentonite+clay>.

Briefly Beta-GFH is probably a byproduct of pickle solution from slabmaking/steelworks and the iron salts form flocs in water to precipitate pollutants, whereas bentonite is commonly Sodium bentonite, or Calcium bentonite probably mixed with alum and/or polyelectrolyte (with charged particles that attract pollutants).

The higher the price does not always relate to the better product dug - in these days of sustainability it pays to use waste product as resalable product for consumers.

I got a feeling PHK has reached its ceiling FTM ~ you got a pretty good idea where it is heading though.

Wish I bought into AKK. I been holding CNM since early sept, and taken 1/2 profit middle of october ~ am tempted to top up again for the journey.

cnm

What is you buying into dug?

Mark

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Tuesday, November 27, 2007 - 10:27 am:

I thought the half price+ differential was a Positive for PHK.If PHK was after the Aquarium market having a German Competitor would be a bit of a Downer.Germans are perceived as much more "technical" than us but a half price advantage to PHK in the Big Water Bodies cleaning market is excellent.

Not that this Magnavore mob is even contemplating using their product in the Big Market.They're purely for "fish freaks" in the privacy of their own home.

As to what I'm buying?Actually trying to withdraw from Short Term Trading for a bit.I don't like,for example,the Weekly Comp being won by 10%ish gains.Shows to me a Move to mainly Day Trading and also "confirms" to me,at least,the coming of cfd trading to pennies is having a deleterious effect on Gains.

I don't see how you've "missed" AKK,tryhay.Is it really that far from it's Base price?but we'll talk about the urge of "Regret" when you're on holidays,maybe.

gotta go,
cheers

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Thursday, December 06, 2007 - 08:36 pm:

Bit QT on the western front dug

'They're purely for "fish freaks" in the privacy of their own home' (not that there is anything wrong with that ~ as sienfield says).

'Actually trying to withdraw from Short Term Trading for a bit.I don't like,for example,the Weekly Comp being won by 10%ish gains...' Ive got a feeling our market is going to further disconnect from the #$%^& US banking stuff, however still with volatility ~ good opportunity for short term gain.

'I don't see how you've "missed" AKK,tryhay' I missed by not buying into the short term gainer (No Funds Available)

I am wondering if PHK will care to respect the short term (blue) support and if it does I may just be interested in a trade.

Chart: Not bouncing out of the blocks just yet ~ in fact captain consolidation time ATM ...

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Monday, December 17, 2007 - 08:25 pm:

well is progress measured by money not lost?

Green Day for PHK,nearly all but for Poslock.
It was News that held it up.That and No Turnover.

News was once again -"We'll have a Cash Flow SOON"
sold some tons to Canada for Lake Fixing but won't get paid til Ntrn Spring.Aprol June 08.
Things will be Different Then.

Now the FA types may mutter "They been promising that for Donkeys"
and it's true there has been way too many Tests and NOT SALES.
but let's go to the Charts

Now it's no good downloading 10 year history.About 3 years ago the actual,current business of Phoslock Flogging began.
Before that PHK has what's called a colourful past but this is Irrelevant to Phoslocks Future and NOW!

Now it's Consolidating NOT in a Downtrend.
I'm looking to top up on a Solid 32 Hit.

Phoslock historically[see the chart] makes it's Headline,News,Sales here in Australia during OUR Summer.
There's some Lake,Dam outside Sydney just Crawling with ALGAE!!
that's as far as I can GO!!

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Tuesday, December 18, 2007 - 01:09 pm:

I'm looking for somewhere to invest them profits from CNM dug & PHK is lookin like a candidate! I just do not think I'll do it in the next day or two.

Someone has been suggesting (on the BBQ) that warragamba is the lake needing treatment & them pics from the TV (couple of months ago) sure suggest they got an algae problem ~ years ago a good dose of Cu SO4 used to fix it up, but in these enlightened years something a bit more enviro friendly should do the trick (still not sure how enviro friendly PHK is but wil not apply the precautionary principle just yet)!

Daily chart How come it is holdin its own dug? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Just look at that stamina (in SP), & volume starting to add to some interest here ? Trust I have not put the mockers on it

phoz lock

Not many others demonstrating this kind of stamina today

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Tuesday, December 18, 2007 - 02:05 pm:

Why is it holding up?
Read the Bloody Announcements you FENCE Sitter!!
It's IN to Canadain Sewerage Works,tryhay.Ain't that some area of your personal expertise?
See the Legal Quota of Phosphorous from some four Sewers [sorry water tratment plants]this phosphorous is such that it's killing the FISH in these Land Locked Water Bodies referred to often as Lakes[Lotta lakes in Canada,check d'Map]
Now,tryhay the improverished Canadians don't have access to Surf'n'Sand just Lakeside Cabins/bungalows [probably condos these days]and these Fish are real important to their Quality of Life and Tourist Take.

So Buy Phoslock cause it's Gunner Save d'FISH!!

Another factor [if that's not CON vincing enough]is that there's not a lot of Trading Prats[small fish yuk yuk] in PHK cos it's not MATERIALS.Seems to me that PHK is held by them Captain Nemisises Long Term Warren Buffett Readers and they don't use Stop Losses or Grab Profits Systems.
Tryhay,they await Dividends and PHK MAY pay these in the next two years when the Price COULD be around a Buck.

I got other stuff/thoughts but I'm getting a bit jaded.

cheers.

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Tuesday, December 18, 2007 - 03:55 pm:

Perhaps an aspro and a good lie down would remove that jaded feeling. Poop works will do for area of expertise dug ~ I certainly aint an expert (drip under pressure) in share trading!

The solution to the canadian problem is to operate the plants optimally, but in the absence of expertise then fix the problem with application of chemicals ~ to save the fish.

Just quietly dug one has to have available $$ to buy new boat/s & ATM my toy portfolio is in the red ~ so perhaps later, much later...(at least next week)

Happy trading...

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Wednesday, December 19, 2007 - 02:09 am:

'Phoslock' is a registered trademark all over, except for germany where the name was previously registered.

The German product is NOT the same material.

True 'Phoslock' is sold in Germany as 'Bentophos'

Phoslock + Bentophos contain only Bentonite + a rare earth mineral known as Lanthanum.

Pete

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Thursday, December 20, 2007 - 10:03 am:

Thanks for that explanation Mr Whippy.
I was a bit worried that our Phoslock wasn't maintaining it Name "Patent" by letting this German Mob trade the Aquarium Market.
Being a bit "strange" I kinda prefer Bentophos as a name but to the general Market I suppose Phoslock is preferable.

Are you a Phoslock Licensee in the UK,Mr Whippy,by any chance? If so [or even if not]tell us about how come you took the time and trouble to post the above or anything else you wish to chat about.
cheers.

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Monday, December 24, 2007 - 05:38 pm:

Well it is next week and PHK still does not look an attractive buy ATM. Perhaps you see me as a fencesitter but I call it how I see it; as described above and below in this post. Perhaps you would rather I make no comment on your posts at all dug? IC is a pretty dull place to hang out now dug, and now I'm on hols I was hoping to give the keyboard a work out ~ If you are still around.

FWIW the chart below shows why I am waiting for entry into PHK ~ not just to sit on the fence but to have my entry signals set off. As you will notice from from other threads that I do not always follow my entry signals ~ and so the result/s are not always +ve; however it would be worse for me to follow your ramp and then find I could have done just as badly on one of my own picks

I prefer to check out the chart angles rather than have too much fundamental crap (Company announcements) fill my head: new information in old information out....Do not get me wrong here, I do agree company announcements can be +ve for SP

Chart for those who may be interested: Looks to be playing out a lower swing before heading back towards the 200 day MA, if the SP breaches the 200D_MA this time I suggest that it will only just before falling back below it to gather more momentum...I will be more interested in PHK at that time dug, although I am tempted to pick up a small parcel before the next bounce.

If I can comment on your trading/entry style dug: your attraction to VWAP seems to give you a detailed understnding of current events (things happening intra day) but not a good view on the woods (what happens week to week). I suggest traders/investors need both of these skills ~ and sadly on the forums I visit not many demonstrate both (including me).

PHOS Lock

Happy trading

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Monday, December 24, 2007 - 07:51 pm:

dug wrote on Thursday, December 20, 2007 - 11:03 am:
Are you a Phoslock Licensee in the UK,Mr Whippy,by any chance? If so [or even if not]tell us about how come you took the time and trouble to post the above or anything else you wish to chat about.
cheers.

Hi dug, yes you are almost correct in your assumption, i am not a licensee as the UK operation is owned and managed wholly by Phoslock, who then sub contract to approved applicators of which i am an approved contractor.

The trade here in the UK has been (in my opinion) very slow to start, but having said that, the same has occured in many other countries, and the reasoning behind this is because (and again these are my thoughts and not an official statement from Phoslock) because of GREEN issues and because we are living in a world where Sueing 'No win No fee' is becoming an everyday event, and lets face it most of the larger water bodies at least here in the uk are owned by Water companies, then what we add to our water supplies is a big issue. Therefore Aluminiums and Coppers are now frowned upon, and alternatives are constantly being sought, so when Phoslock came on the market it was welcomed with some hesitation. So even though trials have been undertaken in many countries, and after many glowing references, each new market obviously wants to undertake their own tests and evaluations. And when these tests are finished, i am sure the sky will be the limit.

As has being seen in other countries, some very large large water bodies have been treated, successfully i might add, and i am told that a contract has just been drafted for a $12,000,000 deal in New Zealand (dont quote me on that).

Back here in the UK treatments have been applied to water ways in private estates, a large public listed water authority, docks where water sports take place and even to a pond at 'Blenheim Palace'.

It has been approved for use in 'Drinking Water' (not sure wether this applies to the UK yet).

So WATCH this space.....

Please be assured that although i am a contractor and i gain from work undertaken, i am not in any other way a director or shareholder in Phoslock UK or any subsidary. Although i, like you, are watching the share price with baited breath with a view to buying!

SEASONS GREETINGS to all on this forum

Regards Peter aka MrWhippy
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Tuesday, December 25, 2007 - 10:39 am:

Greetings tryhay,
Thought I'd stick around in my own set-up threads til I get formally "chucked out".I'm trying to develop Methods that are useful to you Day Jobbers/aren't Full Time Traders.Don't want to Borrow Money to trade.

Tryhay don't you find it "ironic" that the current Market MeltDown is caused by excessive Societal/Speculative Borrowing[Sub Prime fiasco]yet the Only method being touted for Money Making is Index/Currency Trading on "d'Tick".

Anyhow,on your above post-
I use Trend Lines to see the "Woods".I've diddled around with Trend Lines for 40years at the very least in following shares.My father's and my own.
It was simply because all these other Indicators were "High Maths" or actually unknown or un developed in the Late 60's,at least in Brisbane.

Anyway,I read now that the Purist TA'ers have simplified their Systems down to just Support/Resistance and Trend Lines.[Unless they're Trained IT boffins]and Tryhay it seems the Secret in Using Other Indicators is in fussing around with the "Parameters".

That means coming up with your very own Time Periods for example and not just using Colin's Default Ones.
Do you follow,tryhay?This is THE PRECIOUS SECRET subject to Commercial Confidentiality.

Tryhay,ya wanna be a Great TA exponent for Fame and Fortune?

Well,sit down;
Think about the Time Frames you wish to Operate In;
Don't pick the Standard Ones so Much eg 7/30/60 or d'Fibbio Fabio 3/5/8 whatever because That's not trying to Rise Above to Greatness;
Whatever Numbers you then come up with put them in rather than using the common peasants Colin Defaults;
With these New Numbers in your Indicators,Tryhay You'll either get Signals Earlier or Later than most others thus get an Optimised Ride or Avoid a Whipsaw.Sometimes.

Tryhay,then you're on the Path to Find the Secret of Success.Yeah Dare 2B Great.

Anyhow,Phoslock is still Consolidating.
Until it can get some Actual Cash Flow NOW,this Quarter there's a Risk of a Placement to the Sophistos,I think at 25 cents.
There's another Ploy that Could Happen which is Dual Listing probably on AIM.It won't be on the Frankfurt Exchange because of Mr Whippy's "Revelation" about how it's not called Phoslock in Germany.I'll take this aspect up further with Mr Whippy,our overseas Pilgrim on the Spot,tryhay.
Later,probably tomorrow[if I'm still here]

Why don't you open a Thread and explore Tweaking Default Settings?Fraid I won't respond in it but maybe one of Ingot's six non posters might?
after all tryhay you're KNOWN to be at least polite and ya may grow to be Bright [brighter.]
Just a bit of doggerell/dogalog for d'Festive Season.

bah humbug.

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Tuesday, December 25, 2007 - 03:03 pm:

Mr Whippy,
Is it so that at PRESENT one can only buy a PHK share on the ASX? Not the AIM?
See,I've read about HOW Phoslock is Distributed.
So it weren't all THAT Clever to surmise You,Mr Whippy,were somewhat connected with Phoslock,like in your Day2Day Work.It's just a "Side-Line" to you,right? Like you're in the Private Enterprise of Phoslock,A Water Cleaner who "believes" this is THE Product to be,well Sympatico with in your general Trade?
You're a Professional Water-Cleaner,hey? Years of Experience in Water Cleaning and so it is Completely Natural you would,as it's said,ENDORSE Phoslock as at leaST "uSEFUL" IF NOT THHE MOST fABULOUS new invention ON THE MARKET.

Now,Mr Whippy, Have NO FEAR.Lay out all the Attributes of Phoslock that you WANT
BUT
don't worry about that I a Phoslock PHK ing Adherent might be "influenced",Go calling d'Authorities,
In plain words,Mr Whippy.....
well,I'm on Time Delay so suppose just will have to Wait/Watch for how far ya got so far.
Ahhhh Mr Whippy,do ya Follow?
Tell us something I DON'T know about Phoslock?
ohhh and much better Tell us SOMEDING about PHK
that I never have thought of.
Like BentoPhos?

The Prize for having the "Insider" Word on our Phoslock,Mr Whip is to actually KNOW the Company Profit Margin on a Tonne of the "Stuff" applied in Multi Tonne Lots?
Ahh Mr Whippy are ya Game?
How about a Hint?

Hoping and Wishing you a prosperous,Phk in d'New Year,Mr Whippy.

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Wednesday, December 26, 2007 - 01:18 am:

dug wrote on Sunday, October 14, 2007 - 01:28 pm:
It's CSIRO developed and it's chart shows a pattern that includes the Golden Cross 30/60.

Hi Dug.

What is the golden cross?

Pete

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Thursday, December 27, 2007 - 09:42 am:

Golden Cross,Mr Whippy,sounds "Exotic",right?
It simply means a Short Term Moving Average crosses above a Long Term Moving Average signalling/indicating a beginning of an Uptrend.
In the Short Term Prices have Risen Enough to be Greater than the Long Term Averaged Price.
The "Joke" is Mr Whip that Every Up Trend begins with such an Event.
It can happen and then Falter causing the Short Term Average to Again fall below the Long Term.
If this happens after say a few weeks or "excellently" Months,it's called a Dead Cross[Trend is Dead]or if it happens in just a few days after the Golden it's called being WhipSawed.

Golden Cross is Technical Analysis Jargon,Mr Whippy describing a method [of many]to identify Entry and Exits on Shares.

Been thinking some more on Phoslock and it possibly/probably being AIM London listed.
This is most likely to happen when Phoslock has sufficient DEFINITE Orders that will justify building a New,Improved Chinese Factory.Thus a AIM listing will finance this new,proposed Factory.
You do realise,Mr Whippy that Phoslock is Debt-Free?So it shouldn't get "Damaged" by Rising Interest Rates.It just needs to rack up some Cash Flow and it's going along doing just that.You[Mr Whip] know about New Zealand but recently it also got Canada "Action".
Government Contracts take time but they're Substantial and Guaranteed to be Paid.

cheers.

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Saturday, December 29, 2007 - 01:32 am:

So what does the 30/60 indicate?

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Saturday, December 29, 2007 - 01:22 am:

Thanks for the reply Dug.

I have to say that most of the jargon on this thread/site, is to me just 'double-dutch'. I make no claims to be a shares theryist or expert trader. And i will not divulge any more info that cannot be found on phoslock's own web site (for fear of being accused of insider dealings) (an imprisonable offence? i'll bet)

I came across this site while doing a search for phoslock related info, and i have to confess that buying shares is something that i am considering, but knowing nothing of this pastime has put me off. I shall buy when i think or am told that the time is right.

Any further questions directed towards me will have to be in 'Plain English' or i'm afraid i just may not understand them.

Regards Pete

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Saturday, December 29, 2007 - 12:33 pm:

Sounds like you is enjoying christmas dug: Bah humbug

Trust you do stick around and provide some content for the pilgrams. I've had a go at responding to your points from above below.

What is worse dug is the snottie nosed consultants who are investing our super etc in CDO SIV and what ever other scam to make money without any though of ethics or fairness. This is the main reason why I became more active in shares over the last few years (rather than buy and hold trusting the broker et al)

Yes I know you also use trend lines, but it is easy not to achieve a balanced view when considering investments/ trades and the plethora of aids available. Probably an oxymoron but I hope you know what I mean

I have been to some conferences where the speaker does not look at anything more than price action (ar la stickman & poptop ~ must have tight stops here?) and is happy to trade that. Others on this and other sites have used modified time periods to get the edge ~ but I think these are "fads" that may/may not work ~ I am just as happy to use the standard setting whilst they work (depending on which set of indicators I focus on at the time)

I'm not much interested in further exploring THE PRECIOUS SECRET & suggest anyone interested review some old posts by bundy, et al where some discourse on this occurs. FWIW the finer you tune the indicator the more "Avoid a Whipsaw" or get an early entry the worse I find it works ~ it is hard enough with the standard settings IMO - I guess one could read a trading book on it but what the heck....

I suggest the consolidation in PHK is soon to end and perhaps a bounce will soon be on the cards ~ time to top up then dug. My brain hurts thinking about combinations and permutations for the company dug ~ I'd prefer to trade the chart if I can.

Someone may just open a Thread and explore Tweaking Default Settings? Fraid I won't respond either cause I'm sure my brain will hurt even more with different setting to factor into the frequency modulator....

I trust your festive season is festivus

Chart for those interested: that dastidly 200D_MA is still the fly in the ointment

phoslock

Recharge time with Joe Wilson's adventures

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Saturday, December 29, 2007 - 10:49 am:

Mr Whippy,
For starters I am probably the least capable of "Plain English" on this Site.However I probably know the Most about Phoslock the Share and Story so if you want to make up your own mind about Investing in Phoslock the share,you'll just have to bear with me and my "Broken English".

You,however,are an On the Ground Applicator of the Phoslock Product.You are NOT an "Insider" as the term is used in Criminal Proceedings for Share Dealing.

I assume that as a Novice to the Share Market,you may not be able to recognise the subtle differences between
an "Employee/Sub Contractor" who uses/endorses the Product Phoslock and has "Information" compared to
a Company Employee/Director privy to Specific Information that DIRECTLY will affect the SHARE PRICE when such info is Publicly Released.

but there IS a subtle difference and you'll just have to trust me,Mr Whippy of that FACT.

An example- Above you'll read a post by Tryhay where he states he knows some Fish Farmers and he thinks he remembers that in the course of conversation that They[d'Fish Blokes]said Phoslock KILLS Fish when Applied.

An OUTRAGEOUS Gossip Mongering,Mr Whippy!!!
That Post ALONE may have caused the Deterioration recently in the Fabulous PHK's Share Price!!

but Tryhay ain't Dragged before the Court,No he just gets to sit on the Fence Dragging Down my Phoslock Holding Share Price so he perhaps can get it cheaper or at the very least make me do d'Dreaded Double Down!!

Do you get the Glimmer,Mr Whip? Tryhay is in the Sewerage Game.He's got expertise in Water Cleaning so his Dastardly Rumour about Fish Killer Phoslock blithely muttered has some Power to affect the Share Price but he'll never be Convicted by d'Law.NO!!
he'll only suffer the Penalty that comes from d'ire Dug!!

Mr Whippy.
All you have to do for me to open the Mysteries of Share Investing specifically in Phoslock is to Ask about any terms/methods that are currently perplexing you and I'll try,hey?,to elaborate.
In return I hope for you to "pad out" by your practical experience some questions/worries/concerns that from time to time arise about Phoslocks Efficiencies.

So I'll start-
30/60 Moving Averages are what are called Mid Term Averages.
A Golden Cross is a Short Term Average Crossing a Mid Term One ie say 8 over 21 or 15 over 30.
However when a share is going thru a Consolidation,Moving Average Cross Overs occur quite frequently both Golden and Dead Crosses happen too soon within a short time leading to NO Trading PROFIT worth pursuing ie Share gets to no worthwhile High compared to purchase price.

Do you follow? A golden cross in the current state of PHK is not an Ideal Buy Signal.

Please reply about WHERE you,who live in the UK,are going to Buy any Phoslock shares?
On the London Alternative Investment Market[AIM] or on the Australian Exchange[ASX]?
As far as I know you can't buy on the AIM yet but I could be wrong,so tell me.

here's a chart setting out my interpretation of the Consolidation lines[Support/Resistance].Note that the 8 is LOWER than the 21 so is not Signalling but that 27 cents is on Support and Should [hopefully] stay or Go Up from here.I apologise that this is a Long Term chart and the MA crosses are not clear but I wished to illustrate more The Consolidation and Long Term Horizontal lines/parameters.

Hoping you're "Getting d'Picture",Mr Whip/Pete.
cheers.

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Saturday, December 29, 2007 - 01:47 pm:

Tryhay,
Your Point about "Expert Broker Advice" being all so much hooey is excellent.It's why I am prepared to chat with Mr Whippy.
I can only make Assumptions based on what I feel I'm reading.

Mr Whippy appears to know very little about the Share Market,Technical and Fundamental Analysis or very much at all about these matters in terms of If this Then you do that or maybe this Other etc blah.

It's not his "Problem".He's like,what? 95% of the Population?
BUT he is using Phoslock in his Day Job Earner,he knows it's New and somewhat Unique and what's more One can Buy Shares in it and get an "earner" on d'Side so he's come out with the Aspiration of Buying a Share in a Company doing "d'Business" that he is Employed in/Has Expertise/Makes a crust from Cleaning Water Bodies himself and is now presented with an Opportunity to get in on the Ground Floor of Fabulous Phoslock!!!

Now,perhaps by sheer coincidence he's made contact with a guide such as I for such "Pilgrims to MaMMon".

Now I'm no expert Day Trader.I care about what I put my Money into.I don't aspire to rare wine drinking or swilling Single Malt while gazing at my Mode of Transport.I don't aspire to a Career in the Lonliest Job on Earth-Share Trading.
I certainly do not envy success that shoved a carrot up my..proverbial.
and I certainly don't look for Praise from Millionaires or seek to guide anyone into the Mire that is Blasted Blue Chips.

I simply wish to explore the stories/scenarios that CAUSE shares to make ya a EARN in the Share Market that are of a Class contrary to public belief and Mis Conception ie Under $2 shares.

Anyhow my "penalty" is being put on Time Delay.Interesting hey,how any new posters also "suffer" this mechanism.

Happy Trading.

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Sunday, January 20, 2008 - 06:12 pm:

dug wrote on Sunday, January 20, 2008 - 04:37 pm:
Then tryhay,it'll be time to buy what they're going to be "told" to get in the Future by those pretty boys'n'girls,ya see on TV SHAREmarket reports.

It'll be DYE and PHK!! Believe me?

I don't believe those pretty boys'n'girls,ya see on TV SHAREmarket reports will ever recognise PHK & DYE until they trip over them in the top 300 dug ~ but I could be wrong.

However PHK is beginning to look attractive (chart wise) after its 12 months consolidation (is at the pointy end of the business).

As for the Gold Shares will do it again palaver Them that do cycle analysis suggest a top for gold either this year of early next (don;t quote me on this) and so it is hard to know what to do ~ FWIW whilst gold & gold shares go up I think I'll be buying gold shares (I'm sick of the A$ crap for buying real gold & warrants) dug. & yes I agree the rednecks seem to have the market cornered in buying gold & silver (Real PM's) so they can stick it up the government when the currency fails.... ~ not that there is anything wrong with them & that dug (as SIENFIELD says)........

Daily chart: been sliding for nearly 12 months, volume dropping, no visible indicator is positive just yet dug ~ but I don't think it will be too long before they come out of the woodwork...

phoslock

trying to keep some powder dry dug ~ but CBH & JML are higher priorities for the toy portfolio ATM as will LGL, OXR, IGO etc for the real deal.

Happy trading DYOR

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Friday, January 25, 2008 - 11:27 am:

Hey Tryhay,
The wife is turning nasty at me about being on the computer all day instead of staring into her baby blues...etc.

Anyhow she came up with "I read something in the paper today,yesterday,sometime recently about the CSIRO and Water Lilys that COULD be real REAL Negative for Phoslock"

It's all part of this plot of hers for me to Cash Up and earn bloody Bank Interest Only!!
"You wouldn't be losing now if the Money was in d'Bank" she spits which is reeeeeaaaaal supportive,hey?

Anyway I did a GoGGle on CSIRO + Water Lilys and came up with 10,000 hits BUT I couldn't/wouldn't go scratching around for some recent article that my beloved might have read.
[Of course SHE can't Find the Article Now,Oh No she waits til the Rubbish has been carted away and THEN she Springs this on me]

Anyhow,tryhay,I saw the bit about Water Lillys and cleaning up radioactive muck.I saw some thing about Danged Lillys and the Murray Darling but they were several years ago.

SO as you're my resident Expert,tryhay on Water Cleansing can you get me outta d'Poo Poo by d'Wife and give me the word on what in Hades she's talking 'bout?

ps-yeah yeah PHK is PHKed today.17 bloody cents!! I know,I'm dying here maybe that's why the Lillies got involved!!

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Friday, January 25, 2008 - 11:41 am:

dug,
went to the press release page for CSIRO and they had nothing about water lilies. found this article though and I would have thought they'd have referenced new breakthroughs:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23040504-2702,00.html
cat lady

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Friday, January 25, 2008 - 12:04 pm:

thanks cat-lady but d'mistress says No,that's not it.
The Problem described in your article should be resolved by the Channel Country Flood hitting the Murray.As long as Cubby Station doesn't Hog it of course.
That you came up with this article on the CSIRO web site gives me a Great Clue on how to find what d'Wife is muttering about.[She's forgotten the actual Gist of the Article "You should have read it Yourself!!Stayed out at the kitchen table reading the paper instead of the emails/ASX notices that came thru in the Night.You say you're a Luddite so...."

Anyhow,maybe the CSIRO website hasn't been updated with recent News and in a couple of days my sweetness'n'light will be restored.
cheers

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Dig for the sake of it.

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Friday, January 25, 2008 - 12:11 pm:

dug

this is a site which gives all news on CSIRO

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&tab=wn&ned=us&q=csiro&btnG=Search+News

cat lady

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Friday, January 25, 2008 - 01:01 pm:

Found the HARD COPY.Courier Mail Thur 24/1/08 P31.

well,ya gotta bite your tongue.
a]It's the Lotus Not Lillys.
b]Nothing,like COMPLETELY Nix,about the CSIRO.It's some Rural Industries Research and Development Corporation.
c]It's to do with the Lotus treating waste water for Barramundi Farming Ponds.
d]Lotus "helps" Ammonia Treatment.
e]Nothing to do WhatsoEver with the Murray Darling.She[d'cats mother]just imagined that!!
f]Asians eat Lotus Blossoms,too

So this Quango[see [b]] is proposing Lotus Farms CAN be set-up and prospective pilgrims can buy their Research Data.

Phoslock is in Fish Farm Water Cleaning too.This Lotus Lurk requires a Above Sub-Tropical Climate ie above the Tropic of Capricorn [4 Mr Whippy]
so,unless ammonia is some chemical connection to Phosphourous?This has all been a red herring bleeding Distraction!
at least PHK got away back into the 20's again.

Happy Trading.

ps-now d'wife wants me to get dug some Ornamental Pond to stick/shove Lotus into!!

Even 'til Jaded.

Dig for the sake of it.

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Friday, January 25, 2008 - 04:35 pm:

Sorry dug been rather busy with maintenance tasks of the landlord type last couple of days and am now back on task...

I got to say dug when a chart shape rivals the wife's baby blues you is gunna get into big trouble I'm sure...

The funny thing about our world is it is set up to be sustainable:
1. organic waste (of the ammonia type) is treated by natural agencies to produce Nitrogen gas ~ called nitrofication and de nitrofication. Now this can be completed by putrifying bugs or plants, chemical treatment doesent do a good job on NH3. And the Nitrogen gas is available to be converted (by plants or lightening) into a form available to other plants...
2. Carbon is captured from the atmosphere and with water & some nutrients the roots of plants find they turn it into food ~ first for bugs/animals (leaf eaters) and then to us as something we recognise as food & then our waste turns it into Co2 through Sewage treatment ~ thus being available in the atmosphere for other plants to use.....
3. Phosoporous is needed in our bodies (and those of animals/plants) in connective tissues and can not easily be treated but can be recycled ~ infact sinks to the bottom of waterways and turns into rocks (or is stirred up to re-enter the food chain). Phoslock is supposed to capture Po4 and lock it away in the sediments of the local waterway.

Your enquiry regarding other water plants treating other toxic stuff is extraineous to this thread!

I think a couple of ornamental ponds out back is a great idea (as I do not have to dig em) ~ think of the self sustaining ecosystem you will have ...

dug wrote on Friday, January 25, 2008 - 02:01 pm:
Phoslock is in Fish Farm Water Cleaning too.This Lotus Lurk requires a Above Sub-Tropical Climate ie above the Tropic of Capricorn

Just about any form of intensive farming produces lots of waste: normally NH3, P, CHO, and solids and other beasties will make short work of the waste if the conditions are right ~ like plenty of Oxygen & correct temperature/s thus producing Co2, N, and other trace nutrients

More to the point the kangaroo tail on PHK today suggests to me that it is gunna bounce away soon dug - may just have to buy up big (if only I had the $$$ to do so ~ what a beating this past couple of weeks has been)

Phos

Happy trading DYOR

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Saturday, January 26, 2008 - 12:35 pm:

Don't see it as a Kangaroo Tail/Stop Loss Raid [ask if ya don't follow jargon]
Anyway it was only 816 shares hitting 17 cents.This was part of a 14,800 Sell mostly at 20 cents.
The comeback to the Close at 22.5 was a paltry 5000 Buy so it is pretty insignificant as well.
So chart Reading-I reckon we've got a Double Bottom with August that IF it proves so [by the 32 crack] has a Target of 44ish to the Run.
Tryhay there's one of them Dreaded Head and Shoulders back a few months that signalled a 17ish Drop Dec 06/16th May 07.
I figure it only completed because PHK didn't get Sales Figures together
BUT I'm expecting some Announcement real soon about a Big Aussie Order coming thru.Danged Election [Federal] and bleeding Xmas hiatus probably gummed up the Approval TimeTable
but it betterrrr get a Move on or Or OR I'll be spitting chips!!
Yeah,tryhay I'll ring up Management and do d' Rocket if If IF they don't shake this Phoslock out and UP,mark my words!!
cheers.

ps-thanks for the Biology lesson.Every bit of Info helps.

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Saturday, January 26, 2008 - 03:01 pm:

Our current market is my only share in the green was KAL and I'm out of that now (got back to 17c on friday).

I'm sitting in cash in main & toy is OTH.

I think I get the shakeout stop loss stuff & perhaps PHK will get back to 30c but there is bulk resistance at ~24 and my guess more downside to go .......

I think the chart below shows the last shoulder (from H&S) and the target being more than achieved ~ but Nothing in this chart screams a buy ATM

Phoz

I note Macrae (gorrila man) ain't been back in the ELK posting ~ captain consolidation must be going to end one day soon ~ although the BBQ is still ramping the virtues of ELK ad nausium

Happy trading DYOR