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| | Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - 12:07 pm: |  
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The development of the Under Class in Modern Australia is one of the most serious Life Destroying Threats happening today.Climate Change is a Real Whooz out in Comparison.
So I'm opening this thread so it can be discussed but please can we leave the Bible out of it?No Christ said.. so we do this etc palaver.Let's just assume we all know and agree that Christianity is A way but it's been tried,seems to have failed and more "practical" means are to be pursued.
Now,I can't launch into a long post right now giving some topical views to kick this off but let's just say my opinion is that a lot of what appears Fascist,Civil Liberty Destroying Action seems to be what's brewing as a Solution AND I'm not so much against such Action.
regards.
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| | Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - 01:14 pm: |
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The First Thing that'd be completely Useless is some Drug Menace Crusade by your Government.As a major/only Response.
It's too easy to identify drugs,demonise all users,virtually decree
You're Worthless because of drugs so we'll make you give them up and Voila! the problem is Solved.
I didn't see Denton last night,only the last 5mins.Some Respectable,gone the hard route,lost the Glam Life and is better for it. Was that the Gist/POV put?
Anyway Campaigns against Drugs are only a minor "solution",a sop put out by 3 year term politicians of Something MUST be Done but we won't spend much money on it,just hear what we say,constituents and only d'dreaded druggies will complain.
Neither do I want to start some generational discussions on Drugs,OK? Yes they destroy and there has to be Controls put in place.
What's stirring me to open this thread is how Governments are on a course to take the New Aboriginal Social Action Initiatives and Apply these to the Ferals and the Ferals are now at least Three Generational Born and Bred.
It won't be too long maybe less than 20 years and everyone's Age Group will include ferals.
Ferals are someone's Grand Parent Now!
So No One will be able to mutter "it didn't happen in my day"and cop out by setting d'pigs on 'em as the response.
gotta go.
"I hear WHAT you say,
BUT I SEE what you DO"
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| | Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - 03:37 pm: |
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Suppose by dismissing the Christians and barring the Drug Menace,I've culled any likely participation by many on this thread?Sorry,gone autocratic a bit in my dotage.
Anyhow,what I see as a future threat is the politicizing of the Ferals,a re-run French Revolution sort of thing but more Global.
but such things never happen in Australia,hey?
Our ferals are Life by the beach,right? In comparison,to most places ferals are living pretty sweet.Don't ya reckon,our Ferals must be the best set-up,got only themselves to blame? Couldn't give a root for Revolution.
Cobbers the Revolution will commence as a Fad.
later...
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| | Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - 04:46 pm: |
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Dug I ask these questions not as a back door way to bring in religion ... but for purely practical reasons :-
(1) Why does a person become a feral (if they weren't always one)?
(2) What is your definition of a feral?
I would get nearer to doing something useful if I knew why people become and stay feral
Are there ex ferals who can say what changed them from being feral?
Maybe they just don't want to change in some cases so should we worry?
This is far from typical but there used to be a story going the rounds of brokers offices in Sydney of a derelict who lived in a cave near the Harbour Bridge
He was very unapproachable but it was finally discovered he ventured from his cave each day to buy the Sydney Morning Herald which he would study from the luxury of a park bench before phoning his broker with the day's orders
His derelict appearance never changed and he talked to no one. When he died he was discovered to have a million pound portfolio of blue chip stocks
And that was when a pound actually bought something
A journalist is reported to have found him and bravely asked the secret of his success. The derelict responded "low overheads" + "few needs" + "low operating costs
The newspapers doubled as blankets in winter
I think there is a message there somewhere, but I don't think it is for everyone
With My Best
Hilarius
PS The story is not given to suggest that those who lack financial resources have only themselves to blame ... but it raises the interesting question ... what does a person need in order to prosper? The story indicates that one answer might be a lack of family responsibilities.
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| | Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - 10:32 pm: |
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Probably wrong here -- depends on what is meant by the term " under class " -- but i feel relative living standards for all of us except the fat cats have been gradually declining since the early 90s --- sure we have more STUFF, but less and less time to share this stuff with family and friends .
sort of wonder if it all started with the decline of the Japanese Economy -- Politicians claim that the rapid rise in workers conditions during the 80s was due the heavy handed thuggery of unions, well that may be so , but there appeared to me to be another major if not the main factor at play then and that was the at the time unstoppable success of Japanese Companies -- remember they where chewing up and spitting out the western companies at the time -- one of the key differences between east and west companies was the working conditions of the Japanese employee --- their companies laid it on thick and fast , everything from company childcare centers , company shares to life long employment . The western companies taking note of this and the results started to copy cat.
Then with the demise of the Japanese economy , this all came to a abrupt end in the west in the early 90s, to be replaced with the wondrous concept of "OPTIONS" for directors and upper management .
This appears to have changed the scene , back before the introduction of bonus options it was the norm for company statements to be saying that their policies was not only to enhance the shareholder's position but they were also aimed at enhancing their employees, suppliers and customers position ------ long time since I've heard anything remotely like this from a director .
The policy now seems to be all short term , for the duration of the options --- it's stuff the long term viability of the company , screw the employees, suppliers ,customers and shareholders -- the only thing that matters is the value of the options ---- and we all go along with it, -- fighting over the handful of wheat they throw to distract us chooks , whilst their sneaking out with what was our basket of eggs.
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| | Tuesday, October 30, 2007 - 10:50 pm: |
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Coyotte
Take care
Any moment now someone will accuse you of advocating ethics and morality 
Hilarius
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| | Wednesday, October 31, 2007 - 08:29 am: |
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Feral is just a word/label.One calls oneself it,others call you it,one uses it in conversation and it is understood.
I don't use it to describe ONLY the "poor",there are many rich people who display feral tendencies and for you,Hilarius,-a feral christian would be that Little Pebble bloke[heard of him?],Moses David and the Children of God mob etc.Feral as a definition could be those who isolate or are isolated from the MainStream but then Define MainStream etc blah
Sorry,don't have much time today for posting.
but coyotte's comment about directors dropping the "let's care for the employees"is a symptom of feral but it's true,hilarius this is going to lead to morality and ethics discussion but from a libertarian,anarchical view point that hopefully will not stymie into definitions.
gotta go.back tomorrow.
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| | Thursday, November 01, 2007 - 10:44 am: |
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Rather than DEFINE who and what I'm talking about.
quote some authors or others renowned to justify my argument.
let's just chuck some preconceptions that may have formed so far,about what this tread's babble is about.
Firstly I'm not rabbiting retro as in the Sixties were Really Cool so go back there philosophically,use the dynamics of then to project the Future.
Hippies,Student Activism,Womens Lib etc blah.I'm not interested in RetroGrade.
but to Progress with this Thread,let's just accept this Hypothesis.
The 1964/74 decade is a excellent example of Society being changed.
Old Ideas DISMISSED and only the Ostropilous deny.[sophists,pharasees if you like.]
The Old GUARD had their WATCH Hijacked;
the Old Ways got Changed
and such happenings prove the premise of
How it can/will Be Again.
there is no relevance in good vs bad;evil started then blather blah.
when how the Rot set in?we're Doing it NOW
or,at least,Soon.
Like the poor,
the Ferals will always be with Us.
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BUT I SEE what you DO"
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| | Thursday, November 01, 2007 - 02:36 pm: |
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Think you just closed the thread Dug
The "Sea of Uncertainty" is defeated by the nimble vessel "Probability", not the unwieldy vessel "Prediction".
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pity that you think so,coyotte but probably just as well you told me before I'd launched into the Dialectic in my dialect!
See Hilarius' method of discussion never seems to lead to a Synthesis.Laying out definitions and such just jogs conflict that leads to why don't you respect my views palaver.
Like I have a real problem with this Forum's First Rule[if ya hadn't noticed!]but why do we have to respect everyone when they may be Proud of being stupider than we are!!
so ergo we aren't really respecting ferals' rights just patronising them and "arming" ourselves to swat them.
Ever read any Wilhelm Reich,coyotte?The Fascist Soul even Physical Characteristics of Fascists is described as Armouring but I won't waffle on.
cheers.
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Dug
Until we know what a feral is how can WE do anything?
Let me offer a possible definition :-
A feral is one who resists social norms and is resentful of authority and who engages in uncontrolled and unpredictable responses to issues
Do I disagree with such behaviour? Absolutely not if there is a good reason for it and no undeserved harm to others is caused
I still don't see how you can avoid some judging in discussing this ... just as you have judged me a less than desirable contributor to the discussion
You've done this without clearly stating the reasons ... I am all for synthesis ... so that can't be the reason why you feel I can't contribute
I am perfectly capable of excluding religious elements of the discussion and concentrating on the practical
Why is there a need for action anyway ? If ferals are happy where is the problem?
With Best Wishes
Hilarius
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| | Friday, November 02, 2007 - 04:56 pm: |
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You cannot do anything about ferals. Ferals are ferals and they look after themselves.
I have not noticed a lot of ferals where I live but maybe I'm living too much of a sheltered life.
Dug
Do you see ferals as a problem or do you want to help ferals it would be more help if you explained this when you started the thread.
Phil
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| | Saturday, November 03, 2007 - 05:05 am: |
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Example:
I was in Bundy a few weeks ago gettin' the old folks settled, when I chanced across this scene:
A male personage was "taking care" of three sub-3 yr old infants. The said infants were exhausted from crying - their faces flushed and tears streaked and dried on their faces.
Well, straight away I could see the problem: the kids were about 2 degrees short of sunstroke. The said male personage was wearing a shady fedora, but the kids nix.
As I do, I ventured forth to offer some timely advice. I merely mentioned that perhaps the little chaps might stop sobbing if they were placed in the shade.
The said male personage uncorked some expletives, the most-repeated of which was w*nk*r aptly coupled with some lesser known and used, but equally heavy meaning and demeaning in intent and content.
The said male personage's female "fellow traveller" arrived upon the scene, in time to save this reporter from a punch up the throat ... mainly because she agreed with me. He briefly turned the expletives in her direction before noticing that I was dialling something on my trusty mobile, which I had recently dropped, and which was no longer functioning as designed by the Nokia people.
He correctly assumed I was "calling the cops" and unleashed a fresh tirade in my direction, but which was by now quite stale, given that I had already heard many of the expressions already that day. (That Nokia hasn't called anyone since I dropped it, much less the cops, but he didn't ask me was my mobile working, and I didn't venture the information.)
I wandered into Suncorp Arcade, out of sight of this personage, but held the totally useless phone to my ear. Almost without warning, the fellow (one of my euphemisms) appeared again right in my face, begging me to punch him out and some tasty invitations to do so fell on uncaring ears (though later I supposed I could have gone for a king hit, and received one myself!)
Anyway, the chappie thought it wiser to scamper away, and I last saw the little cheery family of five bustling away up Bourbong Street in the direction of the Met Hotel.
I surmise that your description of a feral could well apply to this specimen of human flesh, though if not, it will only be a matter of time before the three little innocents become what his parents failed to fully create.
It is a tip-of-the-iceberg thingy Dug ... the untrained and uncaring have children who grow up to be more untrained and even less caring, who grow up to ...
I see a golden opportunity for an evangelist in here somewhere ... but that's another story!
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| | Saturday, November 03, 2007 - 07:45 am: |
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An evangelist?
Someone called?
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Here is a brief comment which may sound moral but is intended to be practical
Someone did a study ... approximately 96% of children end up like their parents ... the other 4% rebel and become Nobel Prize winners or Axe Murderers etc etc etc
There are two forms of education
(1) Example
(2) Instruction
There are two forms of discipline
(1) Self discipline
(2) Imposed discipline
Getting the mix of these right determines what a society becomes
What a society wants society gets
Where there is a will there is a way
What we are getting at present is luxury loving over paid incompetents who have given us excess investment in property and sub-prime mortgages
What we need is education in the classics and simpler lives
More Latin, Greek, European Languages, Asian Languages, Philosophy, Theology and low cost housing in communities not urban nightmares
What are we getting? Indulged children taken to worship cartoon characters in Disneyland at huge expense
Nothing about society surprises me any more except the fact that our intelligent over-paid geniuses paid squillions to advance our interests don't know what they are doing ... and we no longer know what we are doing
The answer? Cxxxxx on Sunday and Cxxxxx every moment of every day
OOOPs
There I go again
Off to wash my mouth out
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| | Saturday, November 03, 2007 - 12:08 pm: |
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Definition of a Feral
from Above
i mean a pre-quel post of Hilarius Above.!!
resists,resentful of authority,uncontrollable and unpredictable responding to Issues.....
..can't avoid some judging..!!!
!!
and you Hilarius seek Synthesis?
philr came somewhere close but my purpose is not to Help or Even Hinder Ferals.
I see us as All feral.It's just some of us hide under different rocks while most just....tut tut?deny or more so DEMAND Change!
shouldn't have started but danged it has.
what's It?
well,the disconntent between Action and Consequences.It's a sociopathic trait that ferals just do what feels right to them at the Time
and have NO WAY of Connecting Action to Future events/Consequences.
Do you follow?
Ferals are No Good at CHESS!
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| | Saturday, November 03, 2007 - 12:37 pm: |
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By your own definitions,observations on/of Ferals by our Christian Moderators aka Good ol Ivan and Strident rather, Hilarious.
Well d'Ferals are running the Birth Rate.THEY need no Societal Encouragement,they spend their days brooding the Coming Generations in BULK!
and you,Ivan play some act with a Broken Nokia Blasted Mobile Phone,performing the Right Thing ie calling crime stoppers but not Actually Doing it
just threatening d'Dog on a passing Feral!!
ohh,Ingot and you who is one who has actually basked in d'Light of John HANNAY, akaDon't PAY.
ohh 54,you're a disappointment
like fancy coming to Bundaberg and Not Getting EyeBall CONTACT!!
disgraceful,mate,a real trial of my keeping Staunch!
getting confusing.til tomorrow.
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BUT I SEE what you DO"
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| | Saturday, November 03, 2007 - 12:46 pm: |
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Feral's breed feral's who breed feral's who breed more feral's.
The solution is to break the cycle, but then you risk a stolen generation, and compensation, and educated stolen feral's working for uneducated ferals,and on and on it goes.
Monkey see what monkey do.
The most intense training and education and resource allocation into the "school day" (if they go to school) would improve the situation somewhat, however children need to be fostered right through their extra curricular activities,sporting life and education, until they establish themselves in their own right,with their own work, their own home,their own goals, away from the drag of "old family" influence.
It can be done.
Costs would be repaid 100 times over.
The right people need to take the actions, and make the effort to improve society, because left to its own devices the three "R's" of reading riting and rithmatic , become the three "P's" ,
Plagues
Pillage
Plunder
(yes i read the comics in the herald too)
Perhaps a legal drug distribution programme would allow many of the problems to be managed, but it seems that is just too far out there for society and politicians.
They would rather maintain the ostridge approach to drugs, and besides, without all that organised crime, who is gunna pay the D's so they can retire early on a stress leave pension on the gold coast. "oops"
It is quite normal to put a kid in a suitcase and throw them in the pond, does anyone know why we have those people called "docs", from all accounts they are some of the biggest uneducated useless "dicks" running around in our society (and thats not to say they have an easy job, quite the contrary, but wishy washy do gooders don't save lives, action saves lives , like Howard sending in the army )
If you don't agree, fine, but talk to a few nurses, and midwives, listen to some of the stories,
"yeh, its her 5th child, she and her partner are addicts, all the other children have been removed to foster care, but she is taking the baby home to be neglected for a few weeks so she gets the government cheque for baby production "
"heard a heroin baby in the nursery lately "
" the broken bones that ,"must have been his brother done it " , and they go back home to same house "
"VD under 5 , yeh right you say, go talk to a nurse "
Go talk to a nurse i say ! Pull your head out of the sand and your "easy comfortable life" and do something.
As for the ferals walking the streets at night, they used to pick em up, kick em up the arse a few times, and drop them 15 km's out the road and make them walk home.
But do goody do do's could not allow that to happen anymore, it would be illegal and be an abuse of their rights.
What about the rights of the people getting bashed, and mugged, and windows broken, and signs pulled down and generally the right of being able to walk down the street at night window shopping without fear, or a walk in the park on a moonlit night, without coming out reaped by ferals.
A twisted bitter tale i tell, over to you Duggy.
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| | Saturday, November 03, 2007 - 06:55 pm: |
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Excellent thread Dug
Please excuse my anecdote ... it was more to demonstrate signs and symptoms rather than cause and effect.
I am not sure I can contribute much that is not already known. Since I first drew breath in the South Burnett town of Kingaroy, I have been indoctrinated into the mindset of such things as actions and responsibility, actions and consequences, actions and boundaries, and of course the ephemeral issues which I do not wish to introduce here. (As some of us know, Kingaroy is just a rung lower than Gympie in the Red Neck stakes).
Russia has a really serious feral problem in its major cities - i recall a doco about the violence in St Petersburgh some time back - gangs-of-New York stuff.
I think in order to see where our social engineers (like Phillip Adams and Germaine Greer) are taking us/have taken us we need to identify specific characteristics of the feral primate.
My thoughts would focus on things such as lack of insight into their place and role in society. And I would also look at what kind of hopes and dreams such people have or had in the past. What is different in ferals ... what floats their boat?
Whatever answers I come up with, or whatever conclusions I draw, would say more about me than them. "They" couldn't care less about me or my conclusions. For all we now, the middle ages model might be the natural state of man. The "higher evolution" of science and knowledge might be only a temporary aberration on the time line ... a "bubble" which once burst, reverts to still water again.
It would seem that society is degenerating generally. The rich get richer and the poor ...
I think the people who managed places like Enron, HIH Insurance, World Dot Com and the recent Property Trust collapses in Oz, not forgetting the AWB wheat-to-Iraq scandal, would fit my definition of feral just as much as the obvious model we are giving attention to in this thread.
We are indoctrinated in the schools system to strive to "succeed" - at what? Life? Finance? Relationships? He who accumulates the most debt wins?
I find the phenomenon of the development of this feral class a natural consequence of the failure of the ruling class to properly provide for the plebs. In the past - there was always the dangling carrot approach, but today perhaps the plebs are seeing the stick, and no carrot! Can they not be expected to turn their backs on the mainstream model? What would possibly motivate the ferals to behave any differently?
Maybe this "us-and-them" is just another way of saying "have-and-have-not".
Have I missed your point?
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Forgot to mention the disappearance of the "work ethic" and the advent of "welfare" as drivers of this class development too.
Welfare destroys pride ... charity is soul-destroying too.
Remember "give-a-kid-a-job"?
Today the "kid" is given something different.
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| | Saturday, November 03, 2007 - 07:46 pm: |
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Who Cares?
Certainly not me!
I have my own problems handling all these ropes in choppy seas
Its great to see what the Non-Doers Do when they do something
Sorry I can't stick around
Just a quick visit here to see what if anything was going on
NO need to reply! I have left the building!
I have never waisted so much time reading such rubbish in my life except in the long term threads where everyone is a genius and everyone wins sooner or later
I would like to put a sentence together for those Yahoos but why should I bother
They don't!
To be so bored must be truly horrible and so self-defeated that you feel the need to solve all the world's problems in stead of your own
Set your your goals and "GO FOR IT" I say
If it includes solving everyone elses goals first then
"Go for it" and you will win
"Time is Everything"
Salute and GOOD-BYE
Crikey! How come I still get these "General" emails?
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| | Sunday, November 04, 2007 - 08:42 am: |
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They can't be all bad, can they?
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| | Sunday, November 04, 2007 - 09:09 am: |
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Ahoy Captain
The question: "What can WE do about the ferals?" concerns all of us.
Dug is rightly pointing out that all of society is at risk of violent change when ferals gain sufficient strength of numbers.
Even the high seas will not be safe - I've even heard of ferals at sea - we call them pirates, and I imagine you could tell me plenty about modern-day pirates, being that I am a landlubber and unaccustomed to handling a cutlass.
Once they grab you by the short anchor you're pretty much in their power.
I would think that a significant part of the answer would come from long-term planning, and getting back to some kind of law-and-order and dare I say it, virtuous teaching within the family unit.
I may be wrong, but when I was just a grasshopper, it seemed to me that there were very few ferals - everyone knew who they were, and there was no place for them to hide for long.
So it seems to me that there is safety in numbers. And where did these "numbers" come from?
Well I think it stems from the destruction of the chauvinistic society.
At least then a woman's place was in the home ... and where Mum was, there was security, boundaries, discipline, guidance ... and dare I say it ... a mother's love.
But now, Mum goes out to work - she has to - to enable the family to keep the Rav 4, (which Mum uses to get to work) and to help fund the Beamer or Land Cruiser - I should bring in the mortgage at this point, but, dear reader, you are probably stressed enough reading of these horrors, so I will not mention the word "mortgage".
The stress begins to show, and cracks appear in the marriage. Mum begins to dream of a rich and good-looking beau who (chauvinistically) would whisk her off her feet and carry her off to be spoiled and live happily ever after!
A few Mums DO find their Beau, but within weeks ... months... she finds out too late that her Beau is really a BO-ZO! Too late - she can't go back - the marriage is gone and the kids are feral. The daughter is in the family way, and the middle boy is developing a bit of form with the local constabulary! Dad doesn't give a toss anymore - he can hardly afford the beer now, and it looks like he will lose the Beamer.
The story is becoming a bit sublime ... but maybe looking at one possible cause might help answer the question.
I could rant a bit about child psychology ... and I would be largely right. It is true that children must have basic needs met in order to reach developmental milestones. Any Psychiatrist will tell you that when personalities are damaged there is no repairing them. The personality of the human primate is not to be tinkered with - you can not tune it like you can tune a motor. There are no parts to be replaced or repaired.
I am alluding to the damage done by abuse and assault, in the forms you would not mention on a family forum. Where your father could be your grandfather ... 'nuff said.
How do you change all of that?
My point?
Just that with increasing breakdown comes increasing ferals ... and safety in numbers breeds confidence first, then arrogance, then indifference, then brutality.
Yep! "Gangs of New York" - coming to a neighbourhood near you ... or a sea lane!
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Think I'll wrap up on participating in this thread.It's not going to actually Achieve anything and it's starting to grind even on me who started it.
It's shown what I feared.Ferals are being Demonised,they deserve it and the ferals inability to organise their own lives let alone a co-operative amongst themselves means that those things msparks mentioned are for d'Revival.
I mean Childrens Homes/Orphanages,Feral Mission Settlements for Ferals,Money Controls etc All the Things being laid out in the Northern Territory for the Mob will soon include the Ferals.
This will of course trigger the response by the more Deserving of "Why Them getting all this "Help",lousy Ferals,Give Us Money instead",round'n'round it'll go.
Wasn't there some talk in Empire Rome of getting all the slaves to wear a particular colour that got scotched because then THEY [the slaves]would realise how numerous,majority they were?
At least some seem to realise that Feral Hood exists from the Top of Society down.I reckon the Rich Feral is actually worse than the Bundaberg Baby Basher.The rich set the Aspirational Goals of the poorer but well,I waffle and don't want to start getting this topic going again...
but Ivan next time you want to give d'Word to a Feral?Give some Direction try this way-
You have to approach them giving them Confidence that You know Where they're Coming From,like Why they have a hat and the Kiddies Don't.
So ya go- %#&^ Hot,aint it?Whinging #!*& kids can't even handle d'weather,hey?Stupid %(*# Bundaberg Council just don't seem to provide much shade around here,right?Look there's some[shade]....
Empathy Ivan.One must instantly lull ya feral that ya not preaching to them and certainly never give them a Clue you're Admonishing them.
By threatening,acting like you're going to call "d'Pigs",Ivan that bloke was put in a terrible state,someone else probably the "partner" and kids or some stranger looking,saying something "Snide" got a smack from this crap "positive action" act of yours.
Also be careful of not only getting King Hit,it's the Knives,Ivan ya have to watch out for.
Anyway,Ivan hope you get the Empathy approach next time ya're out there "Witnessing".
regards.
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BUT I SEE what you DO"
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We crossed over in posting time,Ivan and I know I said I wished to withdraw but Ingot you care,you think about this subject Ferals and try to come up with the Reasons WHY,[very red neck reasons I might add]but you're willing to at least State them and no doubt on the Night Shift,you refine them.
So for your entertaiment and edification,I'll do this post on what I reckon is One of the Core Reasons for Ferals being how they are.
It's one of yours above.It's an expansion/variation on
"Virtuous Teaching in the Family".
The great change between our "Education" and Now is all this piffle about everyone having to keep their Self Esteem intact.
Berate anyone for stupidity and you get that line thrown up at you "Don't call ya kid an Idiot.It'll damage their Self Esteem".
This leads to excessive praise of kiddies doing anything at all.It leads to them thinking they[d'kiddy]have achieved,are on the Path to Great Things when all the kiddy has done is bleeding slop on some paper that the parent deems as ART.It's cute,pretty whatever but it DOES not show Potential.It's just what kids DO.
Then said parent often makes the Fatal Mistake which is telling a kiddie about how much money,what fulfilling Lives Artists have and says something really dumb like "You could be an Artist one day Billy" and right then and there,Ivan the Feral Rot sets IN!!
They play sport because They DREAM of being a Professional Sporter who retires loaded at 30 AND their parents told them it could Happen.
I met this near 3oyr old who's only claim to fame was he was designated the 25th Best Cricketer in Queensland.
Like all aspects of how he looked at me,of the ways of the world and how you make ya way thru it for him came down to clutching that 25th ranking as a Crutch.
Do ya follow,Ingot?
even I who can't stand cricket know that 25th means he never made A GRADE yet his whole carriage,his make-up,his GUTS was based on this self esteem generating by being 25th.
Get d'Picture?
Used to be ya EARNED Respect to Self and Otherwise.
That was a Want not a Need.
The Old Way that has gone to Billio,Ivan
is well ya tried ya best so keep trying cos ya have to
DO BETTER.So far just ain't Good ENOUGH.
Have ya Gotit INYA!!?! ya told
so you go to find out.
Self Esteem just willynilly Gained,
that's the step,
a slippery slide start 4d'Feral.
I reckon.
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BUT I SEE what you DO"
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At sea Sea-cadet #54
We throw them overboard and write in the Logs
"Fell overboard in Rough Sea and Gale"
AND then we FOCUS FOCUS FOCUS on the job at hand
The weeks'-end is for Champions
Not for chatter boxers in some prep school lunch preparation outfit
If you can't focus on the week's end
How in hell do you think you will be able to Focus when the Seas and Winds hit you in the morning
I Know that's the benefit of being a "Paper Trader" OR IS IT???
I have always said
"There is no such thing as near-real Paper Trading"
It just can't happen!
Salute and Gods' speed
Crikey! I spent Saturday finding 8 good buys and then spent all day Sunday trying to Cull 2 of them
We yachties never seem to have enough money Ya know?
Sorry, I just don't have time for all your "General" antics
You have too much to offer and heaps to learn in Real time
I am truly amazed others do find the time?
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your "Ego" chuck is willynilly gained.
ever thought about it?
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BUT I SEE what you DO"
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| | Monday, November 05, 2007 - 06:34 am: |
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Dug
Why did you start this thread only to abandon it?
Not a single word I've uttered demonises ferals
To the contrary I've said if they are happy and not harming others let them be ... and I asked what is the problem?
If we don't know the problem how did you expect that WE can do anything?
What would a feral want US to do?
Have you asked any of them?
Indeed why do we need to think in "them" and "us" terms anyway?
Perhaps we are all ferals in our own way?
I take it you had a serious purpose and I would really like to know what it is
Hilarius
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"Not a single word I've uttered demonises ferals"-Hilarius.
Well,that could be disputed but really Is it all ALL about you,Hilarius?Can you just try to accept a General Comment backed by many/most of the posts here without going for this "I'm Unique,Hilarius" jive?Hovering in Conflicts so ya can descend with your "It's all been said before but that's because it is the Holy Truth,the ONLY TRUTH"
So I'm wanting to cease'n'desist because I'm finding it BORING,Hilarius.It's not ONLY because YOU,Hilarius have come up with some questions I just don't FEEL like answering,OK? I over blew the Title of the Thread.When I started it I had the points I've made "conjugating" in my head.Especially child raising/society accepting this Self Esteem is Paramount,has the most validity as a "popular" method etc blah.
I knew/thought that Ivan and probably you accepted this concept[self esteem is the answer],you thought it pretty good and tried to apply it to your lives and "preached" it with God Loves You etc backup.
I consider this Self Esteem Concept as Piffle,some Californian induced piece of Mis Begotten ....
but now I've led myself into your replying Hilarius with Did I say that?Oh No I think the Other?perhaps showing you have some "radical" views but I just read elsewhere how you play for Fun in arguments,how you don't even have Ten Years of Social Action/Justice Philosophy gone thru your brain for me to bother.
Get d'Picture?
Happy Trading.
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BUT I SEE what you DO"
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Dug
I regret that you have descended to unjustified personal criticism rather than staying with the interesting issue that you raised
Since I have been branded by you as patronising I may as well live up to the bad name you are trying to give me and counsel you not to revert to your old bad habits
When you stick to stocks and interesting topics your presence in the forum is welcomed by all, myself included
If you want to let off steam with personal abuse please send me a private message
With Best Wishes
Hilarius
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Hilarius,
you are TOO sensitive.You should loosen up.The slang now is Get a Life! heard that one as a term of abuse by the young?
I particularly abhor that saying along with Been There Done That.
I ruminate,churn thru my head an answer of I've HAD a Life and you twerp[the young not you H]you twerp seem to me completely incapable of having an iota of the Life.
I hope you can reconsider your previous post and get the point that it's not ALL about you and stop this knee-jerk reaction you've established.Hilarius I don't HAVE to care about you.You've got your ways that work for you and these are just NOT my Way.Hilarius you're "Hovering" over me and that has a double meaning based on the pom "Hoovering" vacuum cleaner,do ya follow?probably not.....
Look this method devised of Private Emails to "settle" personality/ideology "disputes" is manifestly Useless.Look at Ivan's Attempt as to why.
so can ya get off d'High Horse?can you get off my case?Can you see I'm not in ya League at least?Like just take it as Amusement Value,OK?I don't want to enter into discussions with you like Dean Rosario did,OK? I'm no patsy,all right?
Geez ELK is shaped all according to Hoyle,just like I conjectured,had to jump in against all planning and plot.
Something is Happening and Could it Be just what I thought.
cheers Hilarius,chalk it up as d'One who got AWAY.
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BUT I SEE what you DO"
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My Grand Parents were Non-Conformists
I honour their rich tradition of independent feral thought
As to the young I find the majority more articulate than the youth of 50 years ago
They are stronger, more cultured and more religious in their valuation of the world and its many good things
They can smell a hypocrite in seconds
My view of life is that the cup is half full
And nothing I've said is about me and cannot possibly be construed as being about me, or my beliefs since all the things I've said in this thread could equally well have been said by an atheist
Apart perhaps from the identification of my grand-parents as Non-Conformists Ferals according to the Church of England
If that is a discussion of attitudes 100 or more years ago so be it
Today the new orthodoxy is greed and environmental degradation
I ask again, will Australia be more than a quarry with crass properties 100 years from now ... and what will be its values?
Atheists where are you when you are needed? You claim to be moral. Prove it.
With Best Wishes
Hilarius
PS Give a dog a bad name and he will bite
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I'm welcome to talk about shares and interesting things?but not Abuse!!!
ohhhhahhh we really got to do a hoovering on this Moderate Board.
So now we find that i got ignored,misunderstood by ol' Kool Nuts not just because he was germanic and d'lingo was all double dutch druken blather to d'Kool one.
I was talking shares to Him,and this "attitude" was all i got back.Ohk just was doing his own "thing",insular,isolated.I still have on my desktop OkoolNutzies Trading Plan,been unopened for awhile..
just like ohk,hey?
Now the THE ohk has been revealed as having some self esteem panic attack,
'n' bloody dug d'incomprehensible is simultaneously....
well it's up to you to Work it Out.
Hilarius,you do know you Lost to Holy Cow.
I was particularly concerned when you blandly announced a Total Market Withdrawal.Especially when I remembered one of your acolytes,ken or somebody,saying months ago Declaring
Hilarius as the Best Market Turn Barometer IC.
see Hilrius my problem is that I remember.
canya dig it?
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Maybe the ferals are right ... we are screwing the planet
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Dug
I was instructed to "lose" to Holy Cow and I obeyed the instructions. I don't consider it a loss.
In any case it was less about winning or losing and more about understanding that no benefit was going to be served by upsetting HC with even the mildest disagreement, after a certain stage had been reached
What is ironic is that I shared his view of the potential effect of fear on markets, as a worst case scenario ... but believed there were other possible outcomes
Call that a loss if you wish. I see it as the decent thing to have done to withdraw from that discussion, in that particular place.
Hilarius
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Voltaire got it right regarding ferals when he said "I may not agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it within the rules of the Incredible Charts Forum"
(I am not sure whether Voltaire used FA or TA or both, and I notice he has not posted for a while)
Hilarius
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off topic comment re Hilarius statement
I ask again, will Australia be more than a quarry with crass properties 100 years from now ... and what will be its values?
when researching the small mining companies and explorers and the companies that were into medical breakthru's and now mining explorers etc, it is quite amazing the scope of this mining bonanza and only a matter of time before supply will outstrip demand a 100 times over and the miners will be the laggards for years as they were before the boom.
Surely China cannot consume the whole Australian continent by boat load at a time, why do we give away all out resources, are the really worth a lot more in years to come still in the ground ???
Many small mining companies have like 50 or 100 million in cash assets , yet they post a negative eps.
When it costs a 100 -150 million for a company like AVO to set up a mine for 10 years, the gold price won't want to slip back to the doldrums of yesteryear.
Look at the cash MON is burning up looking for an excuse to be a gold producer, can kiernan be trusted ?
TTY - what a setup that is, dig it up and ship it as fast as you can, lucky the infrastructure is all in place , looks like PL is onto something there.
When all the resources are dug and sent, what then, a battered landscape looking like giant ants have invaded the place and left their little mounds.
Cheers
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Mark
I think you are right. This govt should be doing more to lock in some of the wealth from this boom to Australia. Improve infrastructure for a start. Then start putting money into and tax incentives to create long term prosperity. Promote companies like CSL etc. so that if there is a down turn in mining or the quarry eventually runs out we have other avenues of wealth.
Selling off prime mining companies like JBM to overseas companies is not the answer either.
I agree with Paul Keating this treasurer is the laziest we have seen. He has had good world economic climate the whole time he has been there. I give him credit for keeping surplus budgets but I think there is more to it than that.
Phil
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MsSparks, I don't think in the long run supply will outstrip demand, but supply will eventually run out. The world is consuming more and more, besides the foreign companies are buying up our mines anyway.
Just my opinion
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Dug
I am glad you did not walk away from this discussion. In fact I disqualify you from walking away, based on the rules:
"When a Royal Commission is established and the Terms of Reference set, the Commissioner shall report back with his findings at the nominated date for such reporting. Once the Commissioner has commenced his Inquiry, the Commission shall have the power to call all and any witnesses to assist in bringing down his report. The Commissioner shall have absolute powers of discovery, and shall at his absolute discretion, terminate the Inquiry when he shall have deemed the Terms of Reference to have been satisfied."
I feel your obligations have not been fully discharged yet.
I differ from Hilarius in that I see the glass half empty, and draining rapidly. A glass is either BEING FILLED, or it WAS ONCE filled. In any case it is no longer full.
Maybe ferals see the glass the same - life sucks so do what is right in your own eyes ... or not. There is no authority to compel either course.
I do believe there is good in everyone ... else why did I bother with that Quisling in the previous long-running thread I was involved in?
Betrayal is the risk ... and the price ... individuals have to pay when they get involved in trying to make a difference. Now that was a feral act ... hey?
I see the things that need to change ... fathers need to get involved in Fathering ... just a bit would do. Mothers need to get involved likewise. Take a kid fishing ... get the kiddies off to a picnic ... play a bit of scrabble at the kitchen table ... a bit of bedtime story-time ... but it's just my "good-old-days" memory - place me on d'ignore if it's too much like Polly-Anna.
Somehow though it is MORE than just having a nurtured childhood.
Good kids go bad ... why?
Bad kids end up OK ... why?
But I see humanity degenerating anyway ... the glass half-empty ... and the advent of Feralism is its signature funeral anthem. That is not negative .. it IS real.
Here and there there a a few contrary ferals ... like me ... and despite your best efforts to disguise it ... you maybe? For sure! (Your "food-4-thought" threads betray you Dug ... trying to help others?)
MSParks wants to make a difference ... HC too ... Hilarius ... et al ... else why bother contributing to such an abstract?
Even the learned Captain sees the futility of another think-tank on social issues.
So ... to answer the question set by your Royal Commission ... "What can WE do about the Ferals?" (to stay with the topic) ....
The answer will always be simple ... and complex ... and short ...
"Nothing" and ... "Everything".
Whatever your hand finds to do - do it with all your might.
There is a way that seems right in our own eyes, but the end of that mostly ends in more disappointment, and frequently disaster.
While maintaining the secular stance ... this is a lost cause, and it truly saddens me. After-all - these ferals as we call them - reality though it is - are people too.
Angry ... broken ... irresponsible (to us observing now) ... suppressed individuals, just getting through life the best way they can ... it just happens that it is not our way, or what we would have chosen ... or is it?
Bring on your findings Commissioner ... and let's go home.
Keep Smiling - Don't look back
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Answers simple :
What do we do with Feral dogs, cats, pigs and etc.
clear as day.
cheers.
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| | Monday, November 05, 2007 - 11:27 pm: |
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Your a hard man Don Coyotte 
Besides pigs, roo's,cats, and dogs, don't shoot back.
And who do you think still has all the guns ? doh
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A Family snap of Coyotte last December.. 
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Hey Rockon
Don Coyotte never loses an argument either.
" shoot first and ask questions later "
Poor old Santa must have handed his weapon in to John Howard too. "buggar"
The kids will be disappointed at XMAS this year.
Gee , i better keep an eye on them as they can get a bit "feral" around dinner time also .
" I have my own unique system "
" I buy high and sell low "
"Money is not the main game , it is sticking to the plan, through thick and thin , unwavering from a disciplined approach to share trading "
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Gotta hand ya that one Rockon
took the edge off yesterday's bloodbath.
Cheers
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coyotte-there's a book out on that Murdoch "feral",the one who did the NT murder on the highway.It's by Brian Toohey.I haven't read it only a review but it seems to be on the Macho Cultured Ferals Lifestyle.I'm reading it as soon as I can steal a Copy!!The price of books is Ridiculous!!
As you know,Ivan I was "Heavily" involved in the Movement of the 70's.Queensland or at least Brisbane was the most radical place in Australia.All the other Southern States gave up the Movement because Gough was elected while in Brisbane the "Troubles" had just begun.
Anyway,I just want to say that the Rise of Enviromentalism was,to my mind,one of the Greatest Causes of a move AWAY from Social Justice and Change that happened.
Enviromentalism as a Cause for "Radicalisation" was absolutely pathetic and useless.Save a Tree,Whales,bloody Wilderness gave a cause to school teachers to wear beards!!
It gave a Cause that didn't Frighten,was able to be "safely" chatted about at BarBques!!
It diverted the "sensible" Movers,gave them a "safe" Cause to follow instead of CONFRONTING the Societal Mess/Catastrophe that at that time was so apparent.
IF only the Social Action by the "Masses" had continued,it may well have sorted the Enviromental questions as a By Product of more Proper Change but,no.The Movement got "split",it's core lost it's "decent" members to bloody worrying about Whales!,the "Smack" got run in to the Rest by d'Pigs and now we drift.
enough "findings" for today.
cheers.
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BUT I SEE what you DO"
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