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wanabe1

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Monday, December 04, 2006 - 09:57 am:

Mr. Kevin Rudd - the new Labor leader - intelligent and cool!
He looks and sounds decent too!

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Wednesday, December 06, 2006 - 10:44 pm:

My wife rekons he looks like a weasel!!!

I personally think they got the #1 & #2 backwards, they should have put Julia Gilliard in as leader. She seems on top of things, good personality and I think the Australian people would go for a female PrimeMinister.

Not sure how the election will go though.

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Thursday, December 07, 2006 - 09:17 am:

Good Morning

A letter writer said this week that Kim Beazley would have been a good and decent Prime Minister, and then added Australia is not ready for that

As always younger pushy upstarts are only too willing to push aside the more experienced instead of playing their proper function of being willing, energetic and supporting leading team members

My view is that Kim and the whole party have been badly let down by brawling members of his "support" team, more interested in their own careers than the real interests of the country

Had they given him better, more united support in generating policies of real benefit to the nation their own, his and Australia's interest would have been better served

Make way now for the "Me Generation" and to hell it seems with decency and loyalty

With Best Wishes

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Thursday, December 07, 2006 - 10:00 am:

Hilarius - I, too, reckon Kim seems like a thoroughly decent guy.

However, can you really say Kevin & Julia are "younger pushy upstarts" or part of the "Me Generation"?

Kevin Rudd
Age: 49 years

Julia Gillard
Age: 45 years

Kim Beazley
Age: 58 years

As a Labour man, I'm happy with the leadership result.

Win / win.

We can now mount a decent challenge at the 2007 election and I reckon Kim was too decent for politics - I'd hate to have seen him have to change to gain power.

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Thursday, December 07, 2006 - 11:01 am:

Dean

Thank you for your correction on the ages of the people

Perhaps I should have said that the upstarts will be trying to appeal to the Me Generation

The Prime Minister is becoming the nearest thing Australia has to a Monarch or President

Kim as Prime Minister would have filled the ceremonial roles well and, given loyal support, could have led a strong united Government

As it is we have the principle of stabbing in the back over-riding the principle of decency

I know which I prefer and, unlike many, I see no necessity for disloyalty and ruthlessness in the conduct of public affairs

Kevin and Julia should have served a longer more loyal apprenticeship while being given ever more prominent roles under Prime Minister Kim

With Best Wishes

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Thursday, December 07, 2006 - 11:48 am:

G'day Hilarius

I agree with most of your points but tell them to Bill Hayden. Dog of a thing to do but that's politics as it is and as it has been.

There are a lot of very decent people in politics but the words decent and politics as we see them is a bit of an oxymoron.
Nature of the beast, really.
Wish it were not so but we've got to face reality.

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Thursday, December 07, 2006 - 12:36 pm:

Hi Macca

Yes I hear you ... and Dean

Many people think that a different standard of values operates in politics (and probably commerce in too) from the values many ordinary decent people strive to live by

The only problem with that view is that the more we tolerate that which we don't really want the more we are likely to get what we don't really want

I believe in the fundamental decency of most people and their desire for that in public affairs

I think many politicians underestimate that point when considering their own careers

Whether we should embrace current behaviour as "reality" or not is a question of whether we should support what is or what ought to be

Unless we seek that which ought to be we will always be left with what is ... or worse

I support Kevin Rudd's call for compassion and fairness ... I just wish he had exercised a little more of that in practice

I believe a better solution was possible and should have been considered, but as you say "reality" operated and I believe the ideals of fairness and decency suffered in the process

This is more and more reflected in public morality which is based on not getting caught doing wrong as against not doing wrong in the first place

Finally I believe that things get better or worse and the attitudes of ordinary people can change things for better or worse. Apathy of people in general is the enemy of beneficial change, and leadership consists of a good sense of where people would like to be lead

It is not only power and the economy ... it is whether the places we live in are getting safer and more decent, or less safe and more cut throat

If we are cut throat in boom times I hate to think of what it might be like if the boom ends, when working together becomes the only way forward

Perhaps we need a major depression to restore less greed driven values to the way people think?

With Best Wishes

Hilarius

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Thursday, December 07, 2006 - 02:18 pm:

To one political professor, Kim would have been the type of a PM who would never shamelessly exploit a Tampa (or Iraq). Unfortunately being a decent bloke does not a PM make.
But what expectations can we have of a leader who can not even sustain the loyalty of his own troops?

Looks like a weasel? Intriguing impression there from Mrs.davkel.
Assuming we are as cynical as the good missus, does that mean it becomes a contest between a weasel and a rat?
A cunning, sneaky person versus a scoundrel! Let the rrrramble begin!

While the jury is still on the new Labor Leader, is it true that someone from his own party actually called the PM ‘That lying rat’?

regards

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Thursday, December 07, 2006 - 03:01 pm:

G'day wanabe1

I've always wondered what you wanna be?
Obviously not a journo? Gotta check your facts before committing to print. I think there may be rats in your own ranks. Amazing what those little incisors will chew up and spit out.
My best friend "Mrs 888" would be highly insulted by the

"Mrs" bit.

Hope this helps
888

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Thursday, December 07, 2006 - 03:18 pm:

g'day 888!
My sincere apologies to your best friend Mrs. 888.
Note the 2 immediate successive edits in my post. Those were for the corrections.

Again my sincere apologies.
regards

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Thursday, December 07, 2006 - 04:39 pm:

Mr 1

No harm done.
All in jest (in time).

regards
888

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Sunday, May 06, 2007 - 12:22 pm:

So far a fairly good run for Kevin Rudd.

Having a taste of what's expected from John W. Howard’s attack dogs, he seems to stand his ground. Actually looking more like a stronger decent alternative.

He’s getting my vote. That is if my man P. Costello will not have a go for it.

As for Jhoney- ‘ I’m a PM who listens to the concern of the people..’ that’s the spin on his IR wink.

Watch this space especially if this consummate politician(i.e lying rat according to one of his own) gets desperate. Those sickened with the con of the ‘children overboard’ the immorality of the continuous justification of the Iraq invasion disguising it as strength in the face of it’s unpopularity’ – you ain’t seen nothing yet!!!

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Sunday, May 06, 2007 - 08:06 pm:

I get really pissed off with political comments on share related chat forums ,, i really think those who post have their own ideas and some 1/2 witted comments will NOT sway opionions ..if u really want my idea or comment please dont insult my intelligence by trying to change the way I vote ..either way ... with respect Qed

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Sunday, May 06, 2007 - 11:11 pm:

qed
That was me - agree totally with you !!

As the Irishman said, 'Anyone who's not confused here doesn't really understand what's going on'.

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Monday, May 07, 2007 - 04:48 pm:

Last time I checked this was the General Section of a share related forum.
Unless there’s a half witted definition out there, by General- I take it- means general.

Up there is for the serious stuff.
Down here is for the more serious stuff!

This is a section where views(strong or otherwise) of general topics- (i.e. politics, sports, science, tax, alcohol, arthritis, possibly romance, maybe not sex or drugs but yes even sometimes shares)- do mix.

Budget night tomorrow. Peter Costello’s 12th. Expect another vintage performance from my man.

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Monday, May 07, 2007 - 09:07 pm:

It will be Peter's boldest move yet. He will raise the tax-free threshold from $6000 to $7000!

This way every person gets a tax cut and the poorest get the the most assistance. He will finally make good on that 100 year old promise: "We'll help the needy!"

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Wednesday, May 09, 2007 - 08:05 pm:

On sex in the previous post....

Actually, if you are one of 'em well behaved, a bit dirty, old spiders- sex is also tolerated in this section. Ref: getting to know the spider:
http://forum.incrediblecharts.com/messages/35933/584838.html

It was vintage PC.
Watching him today on Meet The Press, I kept on nodding, thinking 'If only this man were Australia's Prime Minister!'

Budget reply by the opposition leader tomorrow.
Expect no less than a Prime Ministerial performance from Kevin Rudd.

regards

ps. Bloody spiders!

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Monday, January 28, 2008 - 10:06 am:

Oh Dear

G'Day party politics, goodbye US investors

David Nason | January 28, 2008

THE G'Day USA week in New York has come and gone for another year but don't expect Foreign Minister Stephen Smith to be invited back anytime soon.

Smith left many trade officials and expat business leaders fuming when he talked down Australia at a high-powered investment lunch on Friday at the Waldorf Astoria.

It wasn't a deliberate low-blow of course. More a case of a new kid on the block failing to understand that everyone is supposed to bat for the same team when it comes to promoting Australia overseas, and that partisan politics should stay at home.

Smith was clearly oblivious to these rules when, in giving a welcome to everyone present, he started railing against the economic legacy of the former Howard government, telling the 200-plus crowd the new Kevin Rudd Government had inherited an Australia with inflation troubles, a skills shortage and inadequate infrastructure.

Labor's task, he said, was to "remove the restraints in our systems". In case anyone was confused about what he meant, Smith reminded them by repeating his references to Australia's lack of skilled labour and lack of appropriate infrastructure.

The investors who had come along to hear a panel discussion about the merits of putting money into Australia must have wondered why they had been invited.

Even allowing for the fact that Smith, like all ministers, has political opponents ready to exploit anything that might sound like an endorsement of the Howard-Costello era, it was nothing short of inept to go the other way and effectively warn off potential investors.

It made Smith's closing remarks - he expressed hope that investors would see Australia as a good place for overseas capital investment - utterly laughable.

When Smith left the function room for a scheduled media conference after the panel discussion concluded, the anger from some of the Australians was palpable. Mutterings such as "green as grass" and "a lot to learn" were common.

Many felt it would have been better for Smith to decline the invitation to speak if he wasn't able to be positive.

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Monday, January 28, 2008 - 10:32 am:

same vein as P. Costello's first meeting with A. Greenspan

cheers

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Wednesday, February 13, 2008 - 08:39 am:

From: Prime Mister Kevin Rudd,
From: The Opposition leader Brendon Nelson

To: The Stolen Generation

'I'M sorry!'

....now, that's DECENCY..

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wanabe1

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Wednesday, February 13, 2008 - 10:50 am:

G'day Wanabe1

Despite it looking so difficult for the last decade, saying sorry is actually the easy part.

What warms my heart today is the extent of forgiveness that has been extended by indigenous people in return.

It is their good grace rather than the parliaments decency that is the highlight of today for me.

It is however nice all the same to see some decency being extended through the political process

Cheers.

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Wednesday, February 13, 2008 - 03:07 pm:

I'm sorry (excuse the pun) but I really think that all Australians were slapped in the face today, an apology for something most of us had nothing to do with (and that's not even discussing the rights or wrongs of the stolen generation issue). You cannot expect me to apologise for my fathers actions, which is exactly what happened today.

But I'm all for it, if it means we can ALL move forward as one Australia, for the future of Australia, this wonderful country.

However, I think this is the beginning of an era of court battles never before seen in Australia. Already, even today, some of the questions asked of an Aboriginal guest to the Press Club was "When will we seek compensation for these admitted wrongs of the past?"

Time will tell. But considering that $48,000 per year is already spent on each individual indigenous person, then, well you count it.

I hope I'm wrong. Because all I want to see is one Australia, regardless of whether you're white, aboriginal, English, Greek, Chinese, Vietnamese, American, New Zealander etc etc.

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Wednesday, February 13, 2008 - 03:43 pm:

Davkell,

On that basis James Hardie should not be responsible for the deaths caused to workers in their factories and mines?

The Australian Government is an ongoing entity that has been "managed" by various Prime Ministers and political parties taking the name "the Australian government". Hence it is quite proper for Prime Minister Rudd to apologise "on behalf of the Australian government" for the actions and policies that caused pain to those affected, especially as the policy was to breed the black out of White Australia. I was educated about the "White Australia Policy" in primary school in the mid 60's.

Where's you problem?

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Wednesday, February 13, 2008 - 03:52 pm:

No, he's apologised on behalf of all Australians. There's my problem. Like me having to apologise to the James Hardy victims because I owned shares in the company, or bought it's products.

What it all boils down to, is that a majority of the stolen generation were taken for their own safety. Something that is still happening today, both in the aboriginal community and the white community.

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Wednesday, February 13, 2008 - 04:30 pm:

I'm happy that our government offered an apology for its past doing. I, like many, am very happy that Kevin Rudd apologised. He didnt apologise on the behalf of all Australian, but on behalf of successive governments and parliaments who passed the discriminatory laws. I who share the bounty of pass generations also share the shame.

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Thursday, February 14, 2008 - 05:36 am:

I don't get Australians. You apologise for some minor violation of human rights but you fail to apologise for the big one.

I am waiting for Kevin Rudd to apologise for the occupation of the aboriginal land and how he plans to compensate the aboriginals for the 20 millions foreigners residing on their island.

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Thursday, February 14, 2008 - 07:40 am:

I like Crocodile Dundee's comment about aboriginal land rights when he said that it was like two fleas on a dog's back arguing about who owned the dog.

I agree with Smallworld about the apology though.

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Thursday, February 14, 2008 - 07:21 pm:

The white man protects his property rights to death when it comes to their alleged own possessions. Why should the natives not claim property rights going back hundreds or thousands of years and make them supercede whatever the white man ever established? Why does the validity of property rights only date as far back as the earliest violent invasion?

I see a lot of whites living in mansions while I live in a 3mx5m room and I know I am better off than many people. To me these whites are fleas and the mansions are the dog's back. What is the difference between this island being invaded by whites a few hundred years ago to 100 homeless invading the mansion of John Symond today?

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Thursday, February 14, 2008 - 09:18 pm:

Its all a matter of personal perspective. It seems to me that the apology meant a great deal to a great number. On the other hand I'm more concerned with the gross injustice handed out in the courts of far north queensland which are my workplace. It has always been the same for the most disadvantaged in society.

On the issue of property rights the Mabo decision recognises native title to the extent of a continuous relationship with the land and non-extinguishment by government grants of land.

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