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colin_twiggs
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When the most liberal of democracies Denmark abandons the ideal of a multicultural society, does that signify the end of a global era?

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It would seem to me that in the Denmark instance, as with many in today's societies, multiculturalism is killing itself with unreasonable claims and expectations of an established society adopting culture outside of it's own. If I was to go and live in another country, granted, I would obviously seek out others of my own culture, though not at the expense of learning the countries language, history and culture, and trying to assimilate with the local community. There is no way I would expect to be expected to adopt another's religion or vice versa. I think some people I have met that have been granted Permanent residency here in W.A, have exhibited an arrogant expectation it would be granted, even though the people may not have had that much to offer the development of the country, or skills that were even in demand that could not be sourced from within the country. Immigration may be an answer to a developing countries employment problems, though with that answer comes many other social problems in regard to cultural differences. Rgds Az.







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Az,
The answer is assimilation.

Perhaps we can learn from history. The Dutch were faced with mass immigration by French Protestants in the 17th century due to religious persecution in France. Their pragmatic approach was to welcome the immigrants provided they accepted that Dutch would be the official language taught in schools. But far more effective was the allocation of farms in their colonies: land was allocated in a checkerboard fashion, so that each Dutchman had French neighbors and vice versa. Within a few generations the two cultures had merged into one homogenous whole. Compared to the strong divides that still exist today in countries like Canada between English and French-speaking communities, the Dutch can take credit for great foresight.


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Hello Colin,
The theory of giving someone a chance to belong and contribute is good in theory. Obviously the giving of land in todays capitalist society would be seen as unfair and improbable. The chance to start a business or own a house as a new settler would also be almost unattainable, unless the person had come from a reasonably stable developed country. In the earlier years of Australian migrants, Italian people came and made a go of what little they had and could get. I think the offering of land may have been practised by the government back then. Italian people copped a lot from the Aussies, though persevered and are accepted as a community within the community today. To some degree they stuck together in certain areas as is witnessed in Vietnamese immigrants as well. There seems to be a difference between the two though, in that Italians seem to be more advanced in thier assimilation into Australian culture/language. Wether it is because they are a generation advanced in regards to length of time in Australia or because Asian people have a different idea of what it is to live in another's country, I don't know. I would say, that the most annoying part of any immigration is people that will sit and talk in another language to deliberately disguise what is being said from those around them. Sometimes years after having arrived. Assimilation will only be successful alongside a sense of belonging, and that is the part that takes work from both sides.
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Az,
Giving land is no longer feasible, but there may be other ways of achieving a checkerboard approach and speeding up assimilation. What you have to avoid is the "outsider" or ghetto mentality.

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When we say assimilation what do we mean?

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Hi Spider,

Its been a long time. I trust you and your family are all well -- and you haven't tried to write off any more Jags.

By assimilate we mean "to become part of the whole". In an Australian context we would interpret that as to become an Australian. Not in the legal sense, by becoming a citizen, but in the broader sense as identifying yourself as Australian and subscribing to the culture and values of the country.

I believe all migrants go through a lengthy process of assimilation. Initially they often feel threatened by the new values and culture and cling to links to their old country. Over time, however, those bonds should break down. They become more comfortable with their new surroundings and in time begin to adopt the values of their new country. There may still be sentimental attachment to their old country, but they primarily see themselves as Australian.

In some cases, however, this process fails. Even after several generations they still feel dis-enfranchised -- outsiders in their adopted country. Every effort should be made to avoid this as it can develop into a huge social problem.


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Netinyahu, "Assimilation is taking a loyalty oath to Judism if not a Jew"?. Even though 20% of Israel is Arab, Good Ol Benny reckons this will be a winner?. I don't think so, seriously, what is wrong with this picture?. Rgds Az.


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That is not assimilation.


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It is divisive. If the country did not already have enough problems this will create further mayhem. I wonder if it is aimed at creating an untenable situation, where the arabs are driven out as refugees when they refuse to conform, and are targeted by the zealots in Government. I hope this gets canned at the last hurdle in Parliament. Rgds Az.


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Attempts to build a multicultural society in Germany have "utterly failed", Chancellor Angela Merkel says.




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That was an interesting about Germany. I also read some weeks back that Denmark was also revising its immigration policy based on certain ethnic groups not wanting to assimilate.


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This text file shows how ideals can be ruined by lack of assimilation


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Interesting to see that British PM David Cameron has also come out and said that multiculturalism does not work.







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NYTimes: Cameron Criticizes Multiculturalism

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