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colin_twiggs
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I would be interested in your views on this. But there are some interesting facts such as:

If oxygen makes up 21% of the atmosphere, what percentage is made up of CO2?
  • 4.0%
  • 1.0%
  • 0.4%
  • 0.1%
  • 0.04%


application/pdfco2
a_cool_look_at_global_warming_(sydney_legacy_30_june_2011).pdf (3571.1 k)



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Hi Colin

Here is a scary movie about Wall Street Bankers and the Carbon Tax

http://vidcall.com/index.php/videos/show/2090/#chooseVidcallMailWin-coming-soon

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Jeff







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Colin,

This is a climate change denier advocacy presentation and argues rather than proves. It has a commercial point of view (it's what they get paid for) and has selected what they wanted and not taken a scientific approach. It needs balancing by the other side (scientific, peer reviewed) before you take any conclusions from it.

It's all very complicated but my approach is that risk management is required until things get clearer. The outcomes claimed by the scientists are so dire that some pre-emption is required, eventually by all countries.

How for it goes after that depends on observations in the future.


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Hi Ken,

We need a healthy open debate on this issue. Attempts to shut this down by belittling/stigmatizing questioners as "climate change deniers" have transferred the issue from a logical to an emotional one. Julia Gillard is reaping the consequences.

I too don't know the answers, but we must be careful of taking "expert" opinion, peer-reviewed or otherwise, as gospel. Both sides will choose their experts in order to get the results they want. It is up to the average person to decide, and it is best that they be well-informed.

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Regarding risk management, I agree that we should not build any new coal-fired power stations until the issue is settled. But we should also not be dynamiting the old ones just yet.

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whiteowl wrote on Monday, July 25, 2011 - 05:45 pm:

Here is a scary movie about Wall Street Bankers and the Carbon Tax

http://vidcall.com/index.php/videos/show/2090/#chooseVidcallMailWin-coming-soon

Regards
Jeff


Thanks for that Jeff - I note that no one directly commented on the contents of that video.

The lack of comment confirms that either no one bothered to watch that video, or that Australians generally are intellectually lazy, preferring to be told what to do, instead of demanding what they want done by their elected representatives.

In that video is a link to a site that says it is unconstitutional for Ross Garnaut, as a member of an international special interest group to be advising the Gillard government.

I don't have trouble believing that may be the case.

This is the biggest issue facing Australian since the GST, and yet Australians sit on their hands, wondering how they will come out of this personally, financially.

Our attitude (greed mainly) is playing into the hands of those who have cleverly forced us to look at what the Carbon Tax will be costing us. Most of us have decided it is not going to hurt much vis a vis the lack of public activity against it since "Carbon Sunday." So believing the carbon tax is just another largely benign hit to the hip pocket, we drift back to our markets, unaware of potential risks and dangers of placing our carbon credits on international markets = in foreign hands.

Yet even when we are aware that there is a risk that Wall Street will be telling us what we will be paying for carbon credits - ratcheting the price up/down as punishment/reward for being obedient/rebellious to their wishes, does not faze any of the readers here one jot.

I find that not only absurd ... but also disappointing. Personally I am itching to get out there and let my voice be heard, asking to slow down and think this thing right through before signing our name to agreements about which we as a nation have not been fully informed.

Shouldn't we be investigating the possible outcome of a threat to our sovereignty if these carbon credits (from the mooted ETS) are allowed to be traded on international markets, by the likes of the amoral Goldman Sachs, who have already positioned themselves at the head of the carbon credits market?

Maybe I am simply paranoid ... or not ...

You are correct Jeff ... this IS scary ... but it is getting harder to scare Australians.


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Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world. For, indeed, that's all who ever have ~ Margaret Mead


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Admit found Colins PDF more persuasive than the vidcall



IMHO lack of comment confirms NOT that few bothered to watch that video.

Whether Australians generally are intellectually lazy, do accept grounds to question :-)


Many seem prefer being told what to do, rather than demanding for what they want done by their elected representatives, is the product of long term effort to make the population politically powerless, from our politicians and media, batting between themselves for dominance of "correct political thinking".


Numerous issues politicians and media involved in have been removed from public participation in discussion when population views found to differ from the media-political preferred outlook presentations.



Example#1 Republican campaigns faded as became clearer Australian voters sort popular vote for Governor-General cum President rather than change of title with reduction of actual political power.


Example#2 Australians voted overwhelmingly in 1967 to extinguish ALL legislation which permitted the qualification of Australian's rights or responsibilities using racial identification measures, then this ignored, indeed strangle of challenges, by Commonwealth politicians merrily sailing along with their totalitarian preferred "preferred flavors" of racism approach.


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Also considered ingot54's post and links, which increase my concern.

My view remains that support for alternate energy technologies will benefit us all in the long term, perhaps as my considerations concerning Peak-Oil rate those issues higher for longer than my global warming concerns.


IMHO many would support the GoldmanSachs666 site altering their definition of fraud to include mention of "politics" and "politicians" as common perpetrators of Fraud.







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